Thick As Poop

[Jordyboy9]

I must be more ignorant of British politics than I thought,
Nicholas sturgeon going on and on about independent Scotland instead of getting on with the running of the country,
She wants independence for Scotland,wants to join the EU,so where is the independence there?if she helps to force a general election and we are landed with Corbyn and Abbott total disaster for everyone.

[spathiphyllum]

Umm there was no difference. Pointless comment. No need to be jumping on the salt wagon.

[spathiphyllum]

Someone can’t say something to or about me with other members latching onto their findings. Keep my name out of your mouth if it leaves a sour taste.

[ToraToraTora]

maggie: "The whole raison detre for the SNP is independence. That is why the party was set up originally and nothing has changed. " - but the last thing they want is independence, they want to subjugated into the EUSSR. Maybe they need to rename the party.

[anneasquith]

TTT, where is your evidence that as stated above by you , * Nicola Sturgeon has an inherent hatred of the English * ?

[naomi24]

11.42 Friday, anneasquith, not a word from you about all the vitriol posted about other politicians and suddenly you want a post criticising Nicola removed? That has to be a joke. I too think she hates the English. She’s given me no reason to think otherwise. She’s a woman with grand delusions.

[maggiebee]

TTT - yes, when Scotland becomes an independent nation then the job of the SNP will be done. They will then probably change their name and will have to stand against Labour, the Tories, Lib Dems etc at future general (Scottish) elections. However, one of their main tasks at the moment is to keep Scotland in Europe - not governed by them but in partnership.

[naomi24]

Little Scotland not governed by the EU but in partnership with them? Nicola isn’t the only one suffering delusions of grandeur. :o)

[maggiebee]

Are you always nasty Naomi? Nations smaller than Scotland have total independence. I have no delusions of grandeur, just a love of my country which I want to see independent and not governed by the balloons at Westminster or the White House.

[Zacs-Master]

But you wouldn’t have total independence if you were in the EU.

[naomi24]

Maggiebee, nasty? What’s nasty? Scotland is hardly a world leader!

[ToraToraTora]

maggie: " However, one of their main tasks at the moment is to keep Scotland in Europe - not governed by them but in partnership. " - you mean handler and dancing bear?

[maggiebee]

Quote by Boris in Westminster on 25th July 2019.

"No country that values its independence and indeed its self-
respect would agree to a treaty which signed away our economic
independence and self government"

Unfortunately Scotland did and just like the UK would like to reverse this.

[naomi24]

But you want to
Join the EU! Where’s your independence?

[maggiebee]

We're already part of the EU and want to keep it that way. However, we will be speaking for ourselves and not having some balloon doing it on our behalf.

[naomi24]

But if you leave us you would have to apply in your own right to join EU. To can’t just ‘stay’.

[naomi24]

You not to.

[Deskdiary]

I would have thought it is a very simple concept to grasp - but some people either can't, or wilfully won't.

If Scotland gains independence, which I'd personally like, then;

1. They will not, as some people seem to assume, still remain a member of the EU.
2. They will need to apply and meet the financial requirements - given Scotland rely financially on England, this is unlikely.
3. In the event they do meet the financial requirements, it is likely (as has already been pointed out) that France and Spain will veto.
4. Even if they become a member of the EU in their own right, and it is bloody big if, they will be required to follow the EU's rules and regs.......and will therefore not be independent.

Pretty simple really, but when these very simple points get pointed out, there's a few AB scots (they know who they are) who get very prissy about the whole thing...and on this very thread one of them has called for the removal of a post. Pathetic doesn't even begin to cover that.