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Why Do Racists Think That They Can Get Away With It?
It’s it a bit arrogant to think that people around you wouldn’t be offended?
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It’s like this man fell out of a space ship that came from 1972.
But seriously - why would someone shout this out, unless they were really drunk or high?
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It’s like this man fell out of a space ship that came from 1972.
But seriously - why would someone shout this out, unless they were really drunk or high?
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A drunken peabrain using the most pertinent insult to express its frustration is the most likely scenario. Unfortunatel
12:12 Tue 11th Dec 2018
//What you wrote at 16:41 is rubbish. One off my best mates is a copper and he is privy to what is files under the umbrella of ‘hate crime’. //
Your best mate the copper is not exempt from being called every expletive under the sun either. I hope he is not a black copper because he will be expected to swallow what ever is thrown at him verbally.
One of the many dictas from the Met Police Instruction Book we had to learn as recruits was a quote by Police Commissioner Charles Rowan in the 19th Century ,"Idle and Silly comments are unworthy of notice and should be disregarded"
My basic pay then was less than £2000 per annum. We were told a police officer cannot be insulted or offended on duty.
Pity Mr Sterling doesn't get on with his job and accept the obscene amount of Sterling for turning up to kick a ball a couple of times a week,
Your best mate the copper is not exempt from being called every expletive under the sun either. I hope he is not a black copper because he will be expected to swallow what ever is thrown at him verbally.
One of the many dictas from the Met Police Instruction Book we had to learn as recruits was a quote by Police Commissioner Charles Rowan in the 19th Century ,"Idle and Silly comments are unworthy of notice and should be disregarded"
My basic pay then was less than £2000 per annum. We were told a police officer cannot be insulted or offended on duty.
Pity Mr Sterling doesn't get on with his job and accept the obscene amount of Sterling for turning up to kick a ball a couple of times a week,
retro ... The 19th century. Is that the kind of world you want to continue to live in? Where police officers are expected to put up with abuse because it goes with the territory?
You simply have to ask yourself - is the world a better or worse place if we don't put up with that? And if the answer's a better place then why shouldn't we go for it?
You simply have to ask yourself - is the world a better or worse place if we don't put up with that? And if the answer's a better place then why shouldn't we go for it?
Abuse and offensive language towards players and officials has always occurred since I was a kid.
While we are at it lets get all the coppers sitting on the side lines at major matches arrest the players who swear out loud at their opponents and mates during play.
This Sterling appears to have an ulterior agenda and it is not just what he was called by some ignorant supporter. His beef is with the press and how they report him in a perceived negative way with regards to wording of house purchases etc.
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While we are at it lets get all the coppers sitting on the side lines at major matches arrest the players who swear out loud at their opponents and mates during play.
This Sterling appears to have an ulterior agenda and it is not just what he was called by some ignorant supporter. His beef is with the press and how they report him in a perceived negative way with regards to wording of house purchases etc.
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// Is that the kind of world you want to continue to live in? Where police officers are expected to put up with abuse because it goes with the territory? //
Police men and womend are "expected" to dress as gays, join in Muslim rituals and tolerate the lascivious attention of drunken black men at street carnivals.
Police men and womend are "expected" to dress as gays, join in Muslim rituals and tolerate the lascivious attention of drunken black men at street carnivals.
I am not saying it's a good thing but the world will still turn if there was no football at all and no precious snowflakes who are more than happy to take their obscene lucre and then complain when the press describe how they spend it. If it is all too much for them and they can't take the flak then get a real job.
FAO Talbot:
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John Barnes doesn't think anything has changed.
From the link:
"It's been well documented over the years," says Barnes. "For any black player in the 1980s it would have been the same old racist chants, bananas on the field - just something that was an accepted part of society and football.
"Maybe the overt racism that I experienced, you may not have seen in the last 20 years. Now, with the Raheem Sterling incident, maybe it has reared its ugly head again.
"I, for one, never thought that it had went away - you just never heard it because people kept their mouths shut."
You had banana skins thrown at you. What did you make of a similar incident at Tottenham against Arsenal recently?
"It didn't surprise me because black people go through invisible banana skins being thrown at them and unspoken racial abuse every day of their lives.
"The very fact that now a real banana skin came on and there was real abuse doesn't surprise me at all. I just thought it was to be expected."
You didn't think this is a return to the bad days?
"Those days haven't gone. They have gone in terms of the overt racism. In many respects, I much prefer the overt racism now to the racism we went through in the last 10 years whereby we are being told that it doesn't exist so, therefore, let's get on with it. I knew that not to be true.
"In many respects, I'm glad it happened because it will bring home to people that we have still got a long way to go and it is still alive and kicking."
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John Barnes doesn't think anything has changed.
From the link:
"It's been well documented over the years," says Barnes. "For any black player in the 1980s it would have been the same old racist chants, bananas on the field - just something that was an accepted part of society and football.
"Maybe the overt racism that I experienced, you may not have seen in the last 20 years. Now, with the Raheem Sterling incident, maybe it has reared its ugly head again.
"I, for one, never thought that it had went away - you just never heard it because people kept their mouths shut."
You had banana skins thrown at you. What did you make of a similar incident at Tottenham against Arsenal recently?
"It didn't surprise me because black people go through invisible banana skins being thrown at them and unspoken racial abuse every day of their lives.
"The very fact that now a real banana skin came on and there was real abuse doesn't surprise me at all. I just thought it was to be expected."
You didn't think this is a return to the bad days?
"Those days haven't gone. They have gone in terms of the overt racism. In many respects, I much prefer the overt racism now to the racism we went through in the last 10 years whereby we are being told that it doesn't exist so, therefore, let's get on with it. I knew that not to be true.
"In many respects, I'm glad it happened because it will bring home to people that we have still got a long way to go and it is still alive and kicking."
Retro, you pointed out that coppers such as yourself got (and get) undeserved abuse for simply turning up and doing their job. You reckon it would be better if that didn't happen. I agree. I also think it extends beyond coppers.
> obviously happy that accepting the humiliations associated with their extended role as champions of diversity is a good one.
No I'm not. All I've said to you was in trying to figure out what you were saying to me. Putting words in quotes and expecting people to guess what you really meant is not helpful.
> obviously happy that accepting the humiliations associated with their extended role as champions of diversity is a good one.
No I'm not. All I've said to you was in trying to figure out what you were saying to me. Putting words in quotes and expecting people to guess what you really meant is not helpful.
Legislation doesn’t change mind-sets. You can shut people up but you can’t stop them thinking. Racism has to be fought in other ways. Alf Garnett was a figure of fun, as was Rigsby with his run-ins with Philip. No one but no one was rooting for Alf or Rigsby. Racists need to be regarded as figures of fun – idiots - and black people need to stop playing the race card at every opportunity – and it does happen – because that gets on everyone’s wick and hence exacerbates racism.
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However, mindsets do change. Legislation helps that.
When I am abroad and I see people smoking in offices and shops, it looks strange and alien.
I automatically put on a seat belt when I get into a car. It's not something I would've necessarily every time in the 70s, but it is now.
"Alf Garnett was a figure of fun...No one but no one was rooting for Alf or Rigsby."
Not true.
So you think that we defeat racism and prejudice by laughing at it?
I suspect that may be a little reductive. It seems that prejudice and bigotry can be fought with laughter (cf. Chaplin's 'Great Dictator'), but that would ignore the strides that have been made through protest (Women's rights to vote, civil rights movement).
I doubt the engine of social change would have moved so swiftly had the Suufragette and Martin Luther King had a giggle at their respective situations.
However, mindsets do change. Legislation helps that.
When I am abroad and I see people smoking in offices and shops, it looks strange and alien.
I automatically put on a seat belt when I get into a car. It's not something I would've necessarily every time in the 70s, but it is now.
"Alf Garnett was a figure of fun...No one but no one was rooting for Alf or Rigsby."
Not true.
So you think that we defeat racism and prejudice by laughing at it?
I suspect that may be a little reductive. It seems that prejudice and bigotry can be fought with laughter (cf. Chaplin's 'Great Dictator'), but that would ignore the strides that have been made through protest (Women's rights to vote, civil rights movement).
I doubt the engine of social change would have moved so swiftly had the Suufragette and Martin Luther King had a giggle at their respective situations.
hearts have banned 2 fans from their games for racial abuse
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But sectarianism is still pretty bad up here, players and managers get it bad, -physical, verbal abuse, death threats and even bullets and explosive devices have been sent in post
I think (up here anyways) that it is ingrained into people at a very young age, then it’s hard to shift it
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But sectarianism is still pretty bad up here, players and managers get it bad, -physical, verbal abuse, death threats and even bullets and explosive devices have been sent in post
I think (up here anyways) that it is ingrained into people at a very young age, then it’s hard to shift it
Sp, yes, mind-sets do change – but that can’t be forced. Smoking in offices makes an unpleasant atmosphere and the majority of people now acknowledge that. Seat belts are safe and sensible and most people now acknowledge that. That’s why those things have worked.
Your analogies with the suffragettes and Martin Luther King aren’t relevant to this. They, quite rightly, fought for changes in legislation but changing mind-sets once that legislation is in place is something quite different. Drink driving is against the law – but some people still do it and until they see sense they’ll carry on doing it. The law won’t change the way they think.
Your analogies with the suffragettes and Martin Luther King aren’t relevant to this. They, quite rightly, fought for changes in legislation but changing mind-sets once that legislation is in place is something quite different. Drink driving is against the law – but some people still do it and until they see sense they’ll carry on doing it. The law won’t change the way they think.
I hate 'The Card' being played, whether it be racism, sexism or any other ism or obe, when the person playing The Card usually does so when (a) they are wrong and (b) they use it to stifle debate.
So I'm usually pretty quick in calling out people who use The Card - and some people use it on this site with amazing regularity.
However......
Ignoring the fact that the abuser has now stated he called Sterling a F... MANC C...., if he did call him a FBC then in my mind by any objective measure it was a racist thing to say. I don't buy the argument that the word black in this instance was merely descriptive. Surely if there was no racist intent he would merely have called Sterling a FC rather than a FBC.
So I'm usually pretty quick in calling out people who use The Card - and some people use it on this site with amazing regularity.
However......
Ignoring the fact that the abuser has now stated he called Sterling a F... MANC C...., if he did call him a FBC then in my mind by any objective measure it was a racist thing to say. I don't buy the argument that the word black in this instance was merely descriptive. Surely if there was no racist intent he would merely have called Sterling a FC rather than a FBC.
So mindsets don’t change apart from instances where they do?
Is that what you’re saying???
When the equal pay act came into force in the early 70s, it was a factor of social change. Now we would be shocked at women having to leave their jobs when they got married - but that was quite common company policy back then.
People’s minds were forced to change. It would sound insane to suggest that women be paid less than a man for doing the same job (or get her husband’s permission to take out a credit card).
Attitudes change - and let’s not forget, legislators act on OUR behalf. We elect the parties who enact laws.
Democracy and all that.
Is that what you’re saying???
When the equal pay act came into force in the early 70s, it was a factor of social change. Now we would be shocked at women having to leave their jobs when they got married - but that was quite common company policy back then.
People’s minds were forced to change. It would sound insane to suggest that women be paid less than a man for doing the same job (or get her husband’s permission to take out a credit card).
Attitudes change - and let’s not forget, legislators act on OUR behalf. We elect the parties who enact laws.
Democracy and all that.
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