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Lots of 'first times' on here, including the first in this post to sign in on the Koran. Where is Britain heading?
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fiction-factory, //You have driven me and jim away from this thread with your tiresome twisting, your unfounded accusations and personal attacks. //
No twisting, no unfounded accusations, no personal attacks - and you're still here - as was Jim until gone 11 last night. If you don't like opposing opinions, don't post your own.
No twisting, no unfounded accusations, no personal attacks - and you're still here - as was Jim until gone 11 last night. If you don't like opposing opinions, don't post your own.
Corbyloon //I have no problem with a Muslim being the Home Secretary//
Well for the record, I do, and the post of London Mayor for that matter.
As for swearing oaths on the Koran in the British house of Parliament, do you know what is in that book? Have you ever read it?
"Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. [i.e. Muslims] I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, [i.e. us!] so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes"; [8:12].
Well for the record, I do, and the post of London Mayor for that matter.
As for swearing oaths on the Koran in the British house of Parliament, do you know what is in that book? Have you ever read it?
"Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. [i.e. Muslims] I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, [i.e. us!] so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes"; [8:12].
Khandro - // I don't remember Jesus recommending the chopping off of anyone's heads and fingers, I must have missed that bit. //
Did you also miss the bit about your right eye offending thee and plucking it out, or thy right hand offending thee and chopping it off and casting it away?
I'm an atheist and I can pluck that out of my memory with no effort whatsoever.
If I could be bothered to trawl through the Bible, I am sure there are plenty more similarly gruesome passages for me to quote at you, but that will only assist you in taking this thread further and further away from the OP, which is a right-wing mouthpiece defending 'Tommy Robinson' - again.
Did you also miss the bit about your right eye offending thee and plucking it out, or thy right hand offending thee and chopping it off and casting it away?
I'm an atheist and I can pluck that out of my memory with no effort whatsoever.
If I could be bothered to trawl through the Bible, I am sure there are plenty more similarly gruesome passages for me to quote at you, but that will only assist you in taking this thread further and further away from the OP, which is a right-wing mouthpiece defending 'Tommy Robinson' - again.
// Not only thinking, it would also be wholly misrepresentative of current day Christian actions. The same cannot be said for the instructions found in the Koran. //
You know as well as I do that interpretation is an endless concept.
At one end, you have peaceful Christians and Muslims who manage easily to swerve the more outrageous asks of their book of choice, and at the other end you have people who like hurting and killing people who hang misinterpretations of religious books on their murderous behaviour.
You know as well as I do that interpretation is an endless concept.
At one end, you have peaceful Christians and Muslims who manage easily to swerve the more outrageous asks of their book of choice, and at the other end you have people who like hurting and killing people who hang misinterpretations of religious books on their murderous behaviour.
Is it against Site Rules for the question setter to go off topic?
Jesus does say in Matthew 5 that he has come to reinforce Mosaic law and encourages everyone to live by it. Mosaic Law, by the way, instructs you to kill people who worship other gods and burn their cities to the ground (along with a bunch of other horrible things) in Deuteronomy 13.
It is true though that Christians who actually behave accordingly are (thankfully) extremely rare in the modern world. The proportion of the world's Muslims who are willing to cut your fingers off for disbelieving is very likely higher than the proportion of Christians who are willing to burn your city down and kill everyone inside, though I suspect it is still a minority by quite some way...
It is true though that Christians who actually behave accordingly are (thankfully) extremely rare in the modern world. The proportion of the world's Muslims who are willing to cut your fingers off for disbelieving is very likely higher than the proportion of Christians who are willing to burn your city down and kill everyone inside, though I suspect it is still a minority by quite some way...
Krom, it is a minority who do it, but the number supporting their actions is far higher than you might imagine.
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AH; The vast difference between Christianity as practised, and Islam is that only the seriously mentally unbalanced would even consider contemplating action on what may have been written in the old testament. Whereas sadly most Muslims take their book seriously, hence the atrocities we have seen - 3,000 people killed in New York, thousands of Christians and other non-Muslims killed in the Middle East, for no other reason than that they were considered to be 'infidels'. Mass beheadings by Isis, crucifixions and crimes so horrible that I wouldn't want to repeat them.
You shouldn't demonstrate your ignorance by trying to draw comparisons with modern Christianity.
You shouldn't demonstrate your ignorance by trying to draw comparisons with modern Christianity.
Khandro - // You shouldn't demonstrate your ignorance by trying to draw comparisons with modern Christianity. //
I am entitled to express a viewpoint.
When I want to be patronised by someone with an over-inflated opinion of their view,and un-proven level of perceived education he imagines backs it up, I promise you'll be the first person I contact.
I am entitled to express a viewpoint.
When I want to be patronised by someone with an over-inflated opinion of their view,and un-proven level of perceived education he imagines backs it up, I promise you'll be the first person I contact.
andy-hughes, but Khandro is right. You said //you have people who like hurting and killing people who hang misinterpretations of religious books on their murderous behaviour. //
I’ll paraphrase the question I asked you in response to that, which remains unanswered, Can you name any mainstream Christian denomination that does that? People better informed than you aren’t patronising you when they disagree with your ‘opinions’ – they’re telling you, with good and demonstrable reason, that your opinions do not reflect reality.
I’ll paraphrase the question I asked you in response to that, which remains unanswered, Can you name any mainstream Christian denomination that does that? People better informed than you aren’t patronising you when they disagree with your ‘opinions’ – they’re telling you, with good and demonstrable reason, that your opinions do not reflect reality.
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