Is The Multiculturalism Experiment Working?

[anotheoldgit]

Well unfortunately it doesn't appear to be here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3586867/Shocking-moment-racist-Muslim-women-face-white-women-vicious-confrontation-London-train.html

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

MP3 players ???????????????

They are as archaic as the Sony walkman, surely these days smart phones are used?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// That's simply what happens. We absorb and export culture. ///

I don't think that we should absorb some of the cultures now being brought into this country, but it would not be a bad thing for us to export some of ours to certain other countries.

[Svejk]

It's all very well delving through the history books finding examples of superior cultures who imposed 'improvements' on the vanquished. What possible benefits can these inferior, backward cultures bring to us? ( A wider variety of diseases for our doctors to practice on as a Labour peer suggested yesterday?)

[naomi24]

Jim, //"Multiculturalism", whatever that means, has undoubtedly brought with it certain problems, but I think it's very difficult to say that those problems would have gone away otherwise, //

That makes no sense. Without multiculturalism the problems wouldn't have arisen so they could hardly 'go away'.

//or that they will be solved by stopping the experiment.//

They won't be. The rot has set in.

//But was the "experiment" even avoidable in the first place? How does one stop it? //

It wasn't an 'experiment', it was avoidable, and as I said it can't be stopped. It's too late.

[jim360]

I don't think it's a given that the problems associated with multiculturalism are exclusive to it, is the point, so it does make sense.

As to "the rot has set in", etc. Well, if we are stuck with it, may as well try and make it work, no?

[naomi24]

Jim, //I don't think it's a given that the problems associated with multiculturalism are exclusive to it,//

Do you not? What problems associated with multiculturalism aren't exclusive to it?

//may as well try and make it work, no? //

We've tried and it's futile because others haven't - and won't.

[jim360]

Well, make the best of a bad situation, then. Either way, either multiculturalism is not as bad as is made out to be, or if it is then we are stuck with it, so moaning about how bad things are because of it is either mistaken or pointless.

[naomi24]

Haha! And only this morning I said I suspected that you would eventually hold your hands up, roll over, and die. There you go! Zonk!

[whiskeryron]

Multiculturalism has never worked & never will. All immigrants who settle anywhere in the world will automatically want to settle where their own kind are settled. In the days of ''The Raj'' the Brits in India for example always formed enclaves where other Brits had settled no one (or very few) wanted to live with '' The Natives'', so to expect a country to become multicultural was & still is very naive thinking. Has anyone noticed that our '' Betters'' always make sure that they reside in places that 9 times out of 10 are gated &/or secluded ?.

[jim360]

I'm sure you must be rubbing your hands in glee, Naomi, while casually missing the point as usual. In this case I don't think multiculturalism is nearly as bad as you seem to paint it out -- but it strikes me that if you think it is and then have no practical solution to the problem other than moaning about it, then why not try and fix it instead of moping? Of course that subtlety is lost on you, but never mind.

[Khandro]

jim; // I don't think multiculturalism is nearly as bad as you seem to paint it out -//
Really? Can you name one place on earth where it exists?

[jim360]

Here, presumably.

[Khandro]

No, we are multi racial in the sense that people of different ethnicities live in the same region, but their cultures do not interact. Having a Bangladeshi take-away in your neighbourhood doesn't make you multicultural

[jim360]

Seems to me that there is more interaction than you give the world credit for.

[Baldric]

Going well, isn't it?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/7149349/BBC-documentary-shows-how-Cockneys-are-fleeing-East-End-of-London.html

(With thanks to trt for the link)

[naomi24]

Jim, I haven’t missed the point – casually or otherwise – and watching my country and its culture being systematically destroyed definitely doesn’t induce me to rub my hands with glee.

//In this case I don't think multiculturalism is nearly as bad as you seem to paint it out -- but it strikes me that if you think it is and then have no practical solution to the problem other than moaning about it, then why not try and fix it instead of moping?//

That makes no sense at all. If I have no practical solution how can I try to fix it?

//Of course that subtlety is lost on you, but never mind.//

Ooooo … meow! ;o)

[Hypognosis]

@whiskeyron

I have, in the past, wanted to use the same argument as yourself

// no one (or very few) wanted to live with '' The Natives'' //

as a prelude to saying "the British Raj never bothered to blend in, so why should our incoming colonists?"

But I knew this was wrong, because I'd seen the "Who Do You Think You Are" episode which addressed this subject because it pertained to a UK celebrity (mentioned on the Kutcha Butcha wiki page).

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/dec/09/britishidentity.india

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutcha_butcha
(mentions the terms mulatto, quadroon, octaroon, with links to pages for each)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Indian

This made sense out of a documentary I'd seen some years prior in which there was a crowd of 50-100, staring fixedly at the camera and I was struck by how 'European' a large proportion of the faces looked.

Counter to that, I recall a fellow undergraduate who blagged his way into some technical job, in Australia and returned, some months later, a tasteful shade of mahogany.

If fiction like Doctor Who stays true to form, the future is brown, anyway.