i hate ipods

[mlbt]

i need an mp3 player, NOT AN IPOD, and i need it to be over 20gb, have a copy and paste format, decent sound quality, but do not need a jpeg one. Any ideas or opinions on the best one would be appreciated.
ps. needs to be under 200 quid!
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[fo3nix]

Samsung make some nice players.

[quickthinker]

The Creative Zen series are supposed to be very good
My girlfriends got one and It sounds great.
They cost around � 140

[bigveg]

http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProduct.action? product=NW-A3000&site=odw_en_GB&pageType=Overv iew&category=PAW+Network+Walkman

best looking one around, i reckon

[fo3nix]

Sony's are perfectly good looking, but Sony stuff as a whole tends to go wrong more often than other stuff. Also they use their own proprietary formats to try and lock people into using their stuff.

Creative do some nice stuff, but personally I don't like them due to their company ethics.

[Ralph]

I almost agree with fo3nix about the Sony stuff. I've never had any of my Sony stuff go wrong, the quality's been excellent. However I wholeheartedly agree about their poor implementation of proprietary formats. Even though I had all my stuff in Sony atrac format for my old minidisc player, I preferred to rip it all again to MP3 when I got a new player rather than face having to use their rubbish software for the next few years!

I also agree about Creative players and would add that iRiver H10 20GB would be worth a look.

[wideboy]

iRiver are good - may have to search for ones with more than 20GB. Look at iAudio. Fo3nix mentioned Samsung - I use one that is 20GB but there is a 30GB version (it does video and photos and lots more, even if you don't need them, at a good price). There are some 'new kids on the block' like ibusbi and there is a Packard Bell (don't normally recommend them) over 20GB at a reduced price just now from Empire Direct:-

Packard Bell VIBE500-30GB

�119.56
Save: �60 Aftersale Price: �179.99
Delivery : �4.99

http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/content/products /details/?modelcode=PKB-VIBE500-30GB

Have you looked at this site?


http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/index .php?cPath=3

[wideboy]

Reviews here:-

iPod killers

http://reviews.cnet.com/4321-6490_7-6543935.ht ml?tag=nl.e404