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Which is the more arrogant - religion or science?
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Naomi - That is in your mind that I am obsessed or something so I am asking for the real identity of any one. If you read properly I never asked for myself. I just said that why do you people not let the world know about your immense knowledge. Now before you say about birdie, I did ask him and even that was a suggestion as he thinks himself an expert about Islam, where in reality his knowledge is only from copy and paste.
Waldo- I surely can answer your question but first of all you let me know that where does Quran says that sperm is produced halfway up the back between kidneys?
However if you would like to clarify your own misconception for your own knowledge sake, then this may help.
http://answering-christianity.com/munir_munshe y/semenproduction_rebuttal.htm
So, your seminal vesicles are in your ribcage are they?
As you own article says "From �between the ribcage and the spine�." I know it then goes off and tries to justify this through increasingly terrible linguistic gymnastics, but it's not terribly convincing, is it?
Nice try but one deformed anatomy and one tortously-overstreched muslim apologetics article does not a convincing answer make.
As you own article says "From �between the ribcage and the spine�." I know it then goes off and tries to justify this through increasingly terrible linguistic gymnastics, but it's not terribly convincing, is it?
Nice try but one deformed anatomy and one tortously-overstreched muslim apologetics article does not a convincing answer make.
By the way, I like the way the author goes on to say that the Koran is literally true:
Poets achieve excellence by resorting to exaggeration. The Quran achieved the highest standard of eloquence and diction without any exaggeration. Everything is literally accurate!
O'rilly?
D'oh! Now he has to explain how come the Koran says that when the sun sets, it does so in a puddle. This is literally true, apparently. "The sun sets in a puddle". Truly this is a book of science beyond all others.
Additionally, you might like to defend the Koran's (literally true, remember) assertation that embryos develop through the creation of a skeleton which is then covered in flesh. I think you might find that's completely the wrong way around.
Poets achieve excellence by resorting to exaggeration. The Quran achieved the highest standard of eloquence and diction without any exaggeration. Everything is literally accurate!
O'rilly?
D'oh! Now he has to explain how come the Koran says that when the sun sets, it does so in a puddle. This is literally true, apparently. "The sun sets in a puddle". Truly this is a book of science beyond all others.
Additionally, you might like to defend the Koran's (literally true, remember) assertation that embryos develop through the creation of a skeleton which is then covered in flesh. I think you might find that's completely the wrong way around.
From that article��.
During coitus that liquid springs from the abdomen (�between the ribcage and the spine�)
If this is what you are talking about when you say.
WaldoMcFroog
Thurs 25/06/09
15:18 So, your seminal vesicles are in your ribcage are they?
As you own article says "From �between the ribcage and the spine�."
Anyone who can understand basic English can tell that he is talking about the part of abdomen (between the ribcage and the spine).
And here is definition from medicinenet.com and even according to that it is in abdomen. So you better write them and ask for correction.
Definition of Seminal vesicle
Seminal vesicle: A structure in the male that is about 5 centimeters (2 inches) long and is located behind the bladder and above the prostate gland. The seminal vesicles contribute fluid to the ejaculate.
Again you question about the setting Sun. Quran does not say anywhere that Sun sets in Water. Quran explains HOW Zulqarnain saw it. I am sure if you go today and stand near a beach you would see the same. More detail see here, again all credit to the internet.
http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/suns et.htm
Third one and again its you who is talking about skeleton. Quran says this. You are only playing game of the words.
"Man WE did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then WE placed him As ( a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then WE made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be ALLAH, The Best to create!"
During coitus that liquid springs from the abdomen (�between the ribcage and the spine�)
If this is what you are talking about when you say.
WaldoMcFroog
Thurs 25/06/09
15:18 So, your seminal vesicles are in your ribcage are they?
As you own article says "From �between the ribcage and the spine�."
Anyone who can understand basic English can tell that he is talking about the part of abdomen (between the ribcage and the spine).
And here is definition from medicinenet.com and even according to that it is in abdomen. So you better write them and ask for correction.
Definition of Seminal vesicle
Seminal vesicle: A structure in the male that is about 5 centimeters (2 inches) long and is located behind the bladder and above the prostate gland. The seminal vesicles contribute fluid to the ejaculate.
Again you question about the setting Sun. Quran does not say anywhere that Sun sets in Water. Quran explains HOW Zulqarnain saw it. I am sure if you go today and stand near a beach you would see the same. More detail see here, again all credit to the internet.
http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/suns et.htm
Third one and again its you who is talking about skeleton. Quran says this. You are only playing game of the words.
"Man WE did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then WE placed him As ( a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then WE made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be ALLAH, The Best to create!"
Anyone who can understand basic English can tell that he is talking about the part of abdomen (between the ribcage and the spine).
Which bit of the abdomen is between the rib cage and the spine, then? I've just had a look and my rib cage ends at around my waist, and my spine runs the length of my back. The area in between is definitely not my abdomen. Oo-er .... maybe I'm deformed.
Which bit of the abdomen is between the rib cage and the spine, then? I've just had a look and my rib cage ends at around my waist, and my spine runs the length of my back. The area in between is definitely not my abdomen. Oo-er .... maybe I'm deformed.
Back to revealing identities. Keyplus, you're lying again. It is not in my mind, I have read it all properly, it was not simply a suggestion, and you did ask for yourself - and Birdie found it all pretty creepy too. This is copied and pasted from some of your encounters with him - and there's more if you want me to find it. I've told you before, Keyplus, you should be more careful about what you say. You forget I have an excellent memory.
keyplus90
Sun 05/04/09
12:17
Shall we meet up some where face to face with as many of your companions to support you there and at the end of the day (if convinced) either you convert to Islam or I will convert to whatever you say.
keyplus90
Fri 10/04/09
23:11
.......... or shall I ask for a face to face again.
keyplus90
Sun 05/04/09
12:25
Did forget one thing my little birdie. Before doing that you will have to disclose your real personality .....
Or if you think that I gave you some sort of hope and you want to lock the horns then this is not the place, my original offer is still there as on computer screen you can only argue and that is what you do. However if you really want a positive debate then my original offer is still and would always be valid.
>Any way this time you forgot to call and request gelda to second your opinion with nice one birdie. Or perhaps gelda forgot that she had logged in with her original screen name this time. Better known as Mrs 24 hrs
^^ I've just seen that last sentence, Keyplus. What a very odd little man you are. Just so you know for the future, I am not Gelda - or anyone else. I'm Naomi - and I don't need to hide behind other names. I expect you couldn't quite believe that another woman on AB had a mind of her own, and was quite prepared to say you are wrong. The very nerve!
keyplus90
Sun 05/04/09
12:17
Shall we meet up some where face to face with as many of your companions to support you there and at the end of the day (if convinced) either you convert to Islam or I will convert to whatever you say.
keyplus90
Fri 10/04/09
23:11
.......... or shall I ask for a face to face again.
keyplus90
Sun 05/04/09
12:25
Did forget one thing my little birdie. Before doing that you will have to disclose your real personality .....
Or if you think that I gave you some sort of hope and you want to lock the horns then this is not the place, my original offer is still there as on computer screen you can only argue and that is what you do. However if you really want a positive debate then my original offer is still and would always be valid.
>Any way this time you forgot to call and request gelda to second your opinion with nice one birdie. Or perhaps gelda forgot that she had logged in with her original screen name this time. Better known as Mrs 24 hrs
^^ I've just seen that last sentence, Keyplus. What a very odd little man you are. Just so you know for the future, I am not Gelda - or anyone else. I'm Naomi - and I don't need to hide behind other names. I expect you couldn't quite believe that another woman on AB had a mind of her own, and was quite prepared to say you are wrong. The very nerve!
Oh dear. I seem to have annoyed you, Keyplus. Still, I'm going away for several days tomorrow, so you're in luck.
Have a bit of bedtime reading.
http://www.lightshinesindarkness.com/history_e rrors_koran_1.htm
Have a bit of bedtime reading.
http://www.lightshinesindarkness.com/history_e rrors_koran_1.htm
An afterthought, Keyplus. This question wasn't about Islam, but yet again you waded in, commandeering the thread and making it personal to your religion as you do with practically every thread you contribute to. If you can't take the criticism, or the truth, then the simple answer is to stop doing it.
When questions are asked then the answers must be given. And that is what I have been doing. And that is another example of your mentality. If someone keeps quiet then you rant. NO ANSWER HAS BEEN GIVEN and when you are lost and can't find anything else to say then comes in second rant QUESTION WAS NOT ABOUT ISLAM AND YOU ALWAYS MAKE IT PERSONAL FOR YOUR RELIGION
Finally print this link and take it with you wherever you are going. It will keep you happy.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran.ht m
Finally print this link and take it with you wherever you are going. It will keep you happy.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran.ht m
Keyplus -ENOUGH.
Its quiet clear that you have no intention of debating anything all you wish to do is preach.
When anyone clearly has the evidence to disprove if not destroy your argument, you do not even acknowledge the point, if pressed you fall back on your disproven statements, rhetoric and totally unsubstantiated anecdotal evidence.
You have your religion and there is nobody of any intelligence, who would deny your right to it and your belief.
The last thing I think anyone would call Naomi is stupid. To fall back to name calling is a disgrace and completely undermines any intellectual credentials that you feel you posses. It ill becomes you.
If you cannot win or at least beat into submission, you seem to have to find a reason, conspiracy theory, veiled threats or name calling. Its never your badly though out "argument"
Naomi�s question was rather good; you made it about Islam the rest of the posters made it generic. Why do you take every opportunity to preach rather than debate, there are other poster in this community who can debate, banter, argue and their beliefs are not shaken. There are people religious, and not who can concede that not all points they have made are valid.
Only you make it personal every time � If its going to continually offend you I suggest that you don�t post anymore.
Its quiet clear that you have no intention of debating anything all you wish to do is preach.
When anyone clearly has the evidence to disprove if not destroy your argument, you do not even acknowledge the point, if pressed you fall back on your disproven statements, rhetoric and totally unsubstantiated anecdotal evidence.
You have your religion and there is nobody of any intelligence, who would deny your right to it and your belief.
The last thing I think anyone would call Naomi is stupid. To fall back to name calling is a disgrace and completely undermines any intellectual credentials that you feel you posses. It ill becomes you.
If you cannot win or at least beat into submission, you seem to have to find a reason, conspiracy theory, veiled threats or name calling. Its never your badly though out "argument"
Naomi�s question was rather good; you made it about Islam the rest of the posters made it generic. Why do you take every opportunity to preach rather than debate, there are other poster in this community who can debate, banter, argue and their beliefs are not shaken. There are people religious, and not who can concede that not all points they have made are valid.
Only you make it personal every time � If its going to continually offend you I suggest that you don�t post anymore.
there are people in the science world who are very arrogant and there are people in the religious world who are very arrogant. on balance they are both as bad as each other because the world is full of arrogant people.
as ideas i think they are both also arrogant, religion thinks it knows the answer and science thinks it can find the answer to anything ...in time, with fact and conviction of truth and then change its mind at a later date.
which is worse ? difficult to tell really. both can cause mental and emotional harm, destruction and devastation to millions.
as ideas i think they are both also arrogant, religion thinks it knows the answer and science thinks it can find the answer to anything ...in time, with fact and conviction of truth and then change its mind at a later date.
which is worse ? difficult to tell really. both can cause mental and emotional harm, destruction and devastation to millions.
keyplus, the rational ABer accepts your single-minded preaching because you are,after all, entitled to preach, however boringly.
But sometimes your frustration at not being able to justify your views makes you lose your cool and lash out uncontrollably.
You should think again about your last few comments about naomi. To call her 'the most stupid woman around' is not only manifestly inaccurate but extremely ill-mannered.
I suggest you redeem yourself with an apology.
But sometimes your frustration at not being able to justify your views makes you lose your cool and lash out uncontrollably.
You should think again about your last few comments about naomi. To call her 'the most stupid woman around' is not only manifestly inaccurate but extremely ill-mannered.
I suggest you redeem yourself with an apology.
No, but then I wouldn't ever expect your posts to make sense.
You are fully entitled to say what you like about naomi's posts (or anyone else's). I'm sorry that you cannot see that personal abuse is a different matter.
(And it would be fun to know what 'faith' naomi and I share. So would she, I expect.)
You are fully entitled to say what you like about naomi's posts (or anyone else's). I'm sorry that you cannot see that personal abuse is a different matter.
(And it would be fun to know what 'faith' naomi and I share. So would she, I expect.)
chakka35
Mon 29/06/09
11:57 No, but then I wouldn't ever expect your posts to make sense.
You are fully entitled to say what you like about naomi's posts (or anyone else's). I'm sorry that you cannot see that personal abuse is a different matter.
Chaka- Although I am sure it would not make much difference but would you say same about her if I spend time, go back looking into what sorts of words she has used for me and post all that here?
Can we have a deal here that you would forceher to apologise to me for all that and I would do the same.
Mon 29/06/09
11:57 No, but then I wouldn't ever expect your posts to make sense.
You are fully entitled to say what you like about naomi's posts (or anyone else's). I'm sorry that you cannot see that personal abuse is a different matter.
Chaka- Although I am sure it would not make much difference but would you say same about her if I spend time, go back looking into what sorts of words she has used for me and post all that here?
Can we have a deal here that you would forceher to apologise to me for all that and I would do the same.
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