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If the catholic church suddenly found irrefutable proof of alien life do you think they would let on?
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I really don't think the type of religion matters.
Whether the alien life be visitations from other beings to this world or found on another planet, the evidence would go through so many political, scientific, military and other barriers before it even got to the religious sectors.That's if it was intelligent alien life forms.
If the alien life was only a plant then it would probably be broadcast on every news station across the globe.
Whether the alien life be visitations from other beings to this world or found on another planet, the evidence would go through so many political, scientific, military and other barriers before it even got to the religious sectors.That's if it was intelligent alien life forms.
If the alien life was only a plant then it would probably be broadcast on every news station across the globe.
Perhaps they already have - and perhaps the clues are already there ........
http://www.ufoevidence.org/AncientAstronauts.h tm
Spooky!
http://www.ufoevidence.org/AncientAstronauts.h tm
Spooky!
Once the church was very uppity about the Earth going around the sun.
They were really uppity about the Earth being millions oy years old.
Some are still uppity about evolution - but many churches have gotten over it now.
I dare say they'd adapt.
Finding Jesus' tomb complete with crucified skeleton would be a problem though
They were really uppity about the Earth being millions oy years old.
Some are still uppity about evolution - but many churches have gotten over it now.
I dare say they'd adapt.
Finding Jesus' tomb complete with crucified skeleton would be a problem though
Naomi, those pictures are fascinating. Through the centuries clues have been left either by beings from other worlds or their impact on humans has inspired us to illustrate ancient ancestors and/ or their craft.
It's interesting that those connections have not had a huge fuss made about them.
I do remember all the media attention Roswell got in the late 1980's, early 90's and then on the 10:00pm news it was suddenly announced that the whole story was fabricated.
A very strange turn of events.
It's interesting that those connections have not had a huge fuss made about them.
I do remember all the media attention Roswell got in the late 1980's, early 90's and then on the 10:00pm news it was suddenly announced that the whole story was fabricated.
A very strange turn of events.
Simple life forms, less "intelligent" than ourselves, would present few problems. The discovery of more intelligent and knowledgeable aliens might face the Catholic church, and the rest of us, with some very uncomfortable truths.
Imagine an alien entity so intellectually advanced that their curiosity would be stagnant in the presence of humans.
The Catholic church was very slow in recognising the (alien) apparitions of the Virgin Mary at Lourdes as being genuine and not a manifestation of the (equally alien) Devil.
Imagine an alien entity so intellectually advanced that their curiosity would be stagnant in the presence of humans.
The Catholic church was very slow in recognising the (alien) apparitions of the Virgin Mary at Lourdes as being genuine and not a manifestation of the (equally alien) Devil.
From the Latin "Alienus" (belonging to another) I would class the Virgin Mary and Satan as aliens, the latter being infinitely more scary.
In 1858 Bernadette Soubirous had a series of visions of the Virgin Mary near the French village of Lourdes in the Pyrenees. Any Catholic claiming visual contact with the spiritual is interrogated at length by a "spiritual adviser", a member of the Catholic clergy, to establish whether the vision is genuine or false.
A false vision may be simply made up or a hallucination. A genuine vision may from God or an intercessor , or may be from the Prince of Darkness himself. If the spiritual adviser concludes that the vision contains any element contrary to Catholic dogma then it is deemed Satanic.
After a lengthy canonical investigation Bernadette's visions were deemed genuine and Bernadette was canonised in 1933.
In 1858 Bernadette Soubirous had a series of visions of the Virgin Mary near the French village of Lourdes in the Pyrenees. Any Catholic claiming visual contact with the spiritual is interrogated at length by a "spiritual adviser", a member of the Catholic clergy, to establish whether the vision is genuine or false.
A false vision may be simply made up or a hallucination. A genuine vision may from God or an intercessor , or may be from the Prince of Darkness himself. If the spiritual adviser concludes that the vision contains any element contrary to Catholic dogma then it is deemed Satanic.
After a lengthy canonical investigation Bernadette's visions were deemed genuine and Bernadette was canonised in 1933.
Teddio Thanks for coming back. I'm familiar with the story of St Bernadette, and the process by which claims of visions are dealt with by the Catholic church, and I'm sure Chakka is too. Do you really believe what Bernadette saw was an alien, and do you believe that Satan is also an alien - and if so, why? What about the biblical God? Who do you think he was? Sorry for so many questions, but this really is very interesting.
More questions, Teddio.
How do these hysterical adolescents (or anyone else for that matter) know what Mary looked like? Or Jesus when they see his "face" in drying plaster or cloud shapes?
We know how Jesus is depicted by pious artists and that image makes beautiful pictures. But he may well have been short, fat, bald and spotty.
To these Roman Catholic girls who have "visions" of Mary, she usually appears tall and slim with a peaches-and-cream complexion, fairish hair and blue eyes. Just like the picture over their beds, in fact.
We have no idea what she looked like (if, indeed, she existed) but the balance of probabilities is that she was shortish, swarthy, with a Jewish nose and dark hair. She may well have been plumpish due to a diet of fatty lamb and olive oil. Pure guesswork but more likely than the Western Beauty version.
So how do these vision spotters know?
How do these hysterical adolescents (or anyone else for that matter) know what Mary looked like? Or Jesus when they see his "face" in drying plaster or cloud shapes?
We know how Jesus is depicted by pious artists and that image makes beautiful pictures. But he may well have been short, fat, bald and spotty.
To these Roman Catholic girls who have "visions" of Mary, she usually appears tall and slim with a peaches-and-cream complexion, fairish hair and blue eyes. Just like the picture over their beds, in fact.
We have no idea what she looked like (if, indeed, she existed) but the balance of probabilities is that she was shortish, swarthy, with a Jewish nose and dark hair. She may well have been plumpish due to a diet of fatty lamb and olive oil. Pure guesswork but more likely than the Western Beauty version.
So how do these vision spotters know?
Chakka Oh, what a romantic vision you paint. I love it! Haaa!
I've often wondered the same thing about Jesus' meeting with Moses and Elijah. Discounting the fact that everyone except Jesus are reported to have been asleep when the conversation occurred, how could anyone have known who these two were? One was long dead, and the other had disappeared into oblivion (aka heaven) years before, so no one had ever seen them.
Mrs Raven Lucky Janet. She's the girl with all the answers then. :o)
I've often wondered the same thing about Jesus' meeting with Moses and Elijah. Discounting the fact that everyone except Jesus are reported to have been asleep when the conversation occurred, how could anyone have known who these two were? One was long dead, and the other had disappeared into oblivion (aka heaven) years before, so no one had ever seen them.
Mrs Raven Lucky Janet. She's the girl with all the answers then. :o)
Unless God is an integral part of us then He is, by most definitions, an alien. I don't believe that Bernadette had a true vision or indeed a hallucination caused by the ergot fungus on rye (her father was a miller and they lived in a mill). She most likely made it up initially to impress her friends but then things got seriously out of hand as expectations grew and her whole community became involved. Her vision was likely influenced by artwork in her church and school.
My vision of the Virgin Mary and Jesus would be someone like Nicole Kidman and Johnny Depp respectively. Satan is always portrayed as ugly, shifty and demonic. Very few pieces of artwork ever portray God, Jesus, Mary, the Angels and Saints as anything less than beautiful. I find it difficult to visualise an Old Testament God but imagine Him to be very scary (I won't quote from Richard Dawkins). If Jesus Christ is God (second person of the Blessed Trinity) then its Johnny.
My vision of the Virgin Mary and Jesus would be someone like Nicole Kidman and Johnny Depp respectively. Satan is always portrayed as ugly, shifty and demonic. Very few pieces of artwork ever portray God, Jesus, Mary, the Angels and Saints as anything less than beautiful. I find it difficult to visualise an Old Testament God but imagine Him to be very scary (I won't quote from Richard Dawkins). If Jesus Christ is God (second person of the Blessed Trinity) then its Johnny.
Naomi, having suffering fourteen years of religious indoctrination at school it is difficult to think objectively about Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular.
Going on current evidence and personal experience I don't believe in a supernatural, onmipotent and omniscient god and have no answers to such questions as "who made the Universe?" and "why are we here?" Nor do I believe in ghosts or that Elvis is working at the local chip shop, I need evidence.
Take an infuential political figure like Benazir Bhutto, there is controversy over how she died only two weeks ago: bullet or sunroof? Yet there were many eyewitnesses and electronic media devices present. Compare that to two millennia ago and the New Testament accounts of the life of Jesus. How reliable were they? Were the numerous accounts edited and cherry-picked to ensure a consistent narrative? Of course, if the Bible is viewed as a supernaturally-inspired collection of God's messages to humans rather than a historical document then an objective analysis is futile.
Going on current evidence and personal experience I don't believe in a supernatural, onmipotent and omniscient god and have no answers to such questions as "who made the Universe?" and "why are we here?" Nor do I believe in ghosts or that Elvis is working at the local chip shop, I need evidence.
Take an infuential political figure like Benazir Bhutto, there is controversy over how she died only two weeks ago: bullet or sunroof? Yet there were many eyewitnesses and electronic media devices present. Compare that to two millennia ago and the New Testament accounts of the life of Jesus. How reliable were they? Were the numerous accounts edited and cherry-picked to ensure a consistent narrative? Of course, if the Bible is viewed as a supernaturally-inspired collection of God's messages to humans rather than a historical document then an objective analysis is futile.
Teddio Do you honestly believe that people from other planets have visited the earth in the past? Incidentally, I do, and I believe this is where all the stories of the gods originated. If it hasn't happened, I have to wonder where the artists got their inspiration for the pictures in the link I posted.
Naoimi, when I was at school my classmate attempted to discuss with our Religious Instruction priest the theories of Erich von Daniken on the theme of "Was God an Astronaut". He was severely punished for daring to utter such heresy.
If intelligent extraterrestrial life is abundant in the Universe.and the Earth has been in existence for 4500 million years then previous alien visits would seem quite probable.
If intelligent extraterrestrial life is abundant in the Universe.and the Earth has been in existence for 4500 million years then previous alien visits would seem quite probable.
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