Ridiculous Project

[beso]

This project plans to send copies of texts to the Moon for preservation. They are starting with a copy of the Torah. I can't think of anything more worthless to preserve or to represent humanity to any future space travellers.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229702.500-earths-backup-sending-religious-texts-to-the-moon.html#.U38jS_mSxfM

[mibn2cweus]

Khandro

mibn2cweus
//Always nice having some sort of explanation for what apparently went wrong.//
How do you mean?
19:11 Fri 23rd May 2014

If some future galactic archaeologist stumbling upon the wreckage of a one thriving planet should ask the obvious question, "What were they thinking?" I imagine any surviving religious text deemed worthy of such treatment would go a long way towards answering such a question.

[naomi24]

^ .... as I said at 13:23....

[mibn2cweus]

. . . or maybe they'd say, "Ha, that looks just like the one we left them with last time we were here! ;o)

[naomi24]

Ooooo ......... or, 'Can you believe they got it so wrong?' :o)

[mibn2cweus]

Saved them the trouble of extermination.

[naomi24]

... you mean extermination was never the intention? Oops.... rewind JWs. ;o)

[Khandro]

mibn; // I imagine any surviving religious text deemed worthy of such treatment would go a long way towards answering such a question.//
Are you seriously suggesting that the eclipse of humanity will be brought about by religious texts?
I predict that the demise of homo sapiens will come about much sooner than most people think, and it wont be bought about by 'religious texts'.

[naomi24]

Khandro, do tell.

[Khandro]

//Khandro, do tell.//
Are you blind? just look at what we are doing to the destruction of our environment and the resources required for our continuation on this planet, - and it's f.a. to do with religion!

[wildwood]

Will this be in Hebrew?

[mibn2cweus]

What difference does a dying planet matter to someone who's concerns are invested in an eternity that awaits them . . . somewhere's else?

[birdie1971]

Khandro - "... Are you blind?..."

I doubt very much that she's blind. Quite the opposite I suspect. I do however doubt your clarity of thinking on this matter.

--- "... look at what we are doing to the destruction of our environment and the resources required for our continuation on this planet, - and it's f.a. to do with religion!"

What are you saying precisely? Big, expansive, generalist statements like this are not helpful to debate; they only help to muddy the already opaque waters. At the risk of derailing this thread (and I apologise to the OP in advance if this subsequently occurs) I would like to ask the following questions about your above statement:

1. Are we destroying the environment because there are too many people on this planet? If so, what is your solution to population control?
2. Are we destroying our environment even if the population stabilises? If so, in what way are we endangering our own existence?
3. You say that religion has nothing to do with destroying the environment and yet every single major (and minor, if I'm not mistaken) religion has a moratorium on birth control despite the fact that population and resources are inextricably linked. Every single religion effectively promotes unlimited procreation regardless of this planet's resources. How do you square this fact with your, "... it's f.a. to do with religion..." statement"?

[naomi24]

Khandro, as Birdie says, I’m not blind, but I would have thought the chances of global warming doing for us all by the end of the century are far outweighed by the possibility of some maniac pressing a button in the name of Allah.

[Khandro]

birdie; One of your daftest posts - and that's saying something!
Your spurious attempt to link religion with the world's burgeoning population is quite unfounded, for the facts see;
http://atheism.about.com/od/abortioncontraception/p/ReligionBirth.htm

In fact I would assert that it is the DECLINE in religion that has been a major contributing factor to the increasing birth-rate. There was no need to issue schoolgirls with contraceptive pills in my day, and as I remember, there were no unmarried teenage mothers in my neighbourhood, - not one.

[naomi24]

Khandro, Are you really saying that births to unmarried mothers are responsible for the increasing population? Would it make a substantial difference to the statistics if these mothers had walked up the aisle? And you call Birdie's post daft?

[beso]

One of the ways the Abrahamic faiths increase the possibility of destruction is though their Armageddon prophecy. Many of the followers see the destruction of the planet through environment degradation as a "sign" that the "last days" are almost upon us and look forward to it with relish.

Others spend much of their life goading a conflict that they hope will trigger the "day of judgement". Seething religious hatred in the Middle East is the epicentre of this phenomenon.

Religiously provoked conflict is definitely one of the greatest threats to humanity.

[naomi24]

//What difference does a dying planet matter to someone who's concerns are invested in an eternity that awaits them . . . somewhere's else? //

Actually, that ^ from mibs is a very good question. Khandro?

[Khandro]

Naomi; //Are you really saying that births to unmarried mothers are responsible for the increasing population?// I did not say 'unmarried mothers', I said 'teenage unmarried mothers'. Your posts seem to be increasingly confused, of course it makes a difference, these young teenage girls simply wouldn't have become pregnant in earlier days. and not now in other countries of Europe even.
When I visit the UK it seems to have become the norm that so many teenage girls are pushing prams in the high streets. I don't see that here in Germany and next week I shall be heading off to Austria, Croatia, Italy and Switzerland and I won't see those numbers in any of those places either.
You seem to avoided my main contention though, that birdie's assertion, that the increasing world population is somehow because of religion, are you in agreement with him?

[naomi24]

Khandro, //I don't see that here in Germany and next week I shall be heading off to Austria, Croatia, Italy and Switzerland and I won't see those numbers in any of those places either. //

So teenage unmarried mothers in the UK are responsible for the global rising birth rates? Do you want to re-think your original statement?

Yes, I am in agreement with Birdie.

[jomifl]

Isn't the number of unmarried teenage mothers in thhe UK somewhat outweighed by the teeming billions in India and China who try to have as many children as possible so that at least one of them will survive the squalor and poverty and look after them in their old age?