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Does The Existence Of War And Of Suffering And Food Shortages Prove That There Is No God

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locusts | 13:14 Fri 15th Feb 2013 | Religion & Spirituality
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this not true

much disease is a resolve of mans only for living habits and poor livings habits.

and his spoiling of the environment for himself.? --- and other

are not the war fought by humans
a major calls of human suffering .??????

is it not also true --that while millions suffer from lack of food ,
there is more than enough in other lands,

so that one of the underlying problems is human greed ?.

all these thing s given evidence., not that there is no god

but that humans are sadly miss using their god given abilities and the earth itself.

Knox Bible Revelation 11-18
The heathen have vented their rage upon us, but now the day of thy retribution has come; the time when thou wilt judge the dead, rewarding thy servants, prophets and holy men and all who fear thy name, little or great,

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No, but it suggests if there is one it doesn't wants to be a "hands on" maintainer. It would set up a system that was self maintaining.
Locusts, You're not really asking a question here are you.... you're preaching - again.
No problem to the faithful, whose religious bodies have persuaded them that their God acts in mysterious ways. That's necessary, because otherwise it would be impossible to explain the inconsistencies in his behaviour. And the same religious bodies tell the faithful not to worry because their god will reward them for being good believers, if only they die in the faith, because he will reward them in the day of judgment.

Is that day going to before the sun expands and consumes the Earth, as we know, but the writers of religious texts may not have known, or after?
And yet no mention of the wars waged in the name of religion, terrorist outrages done in the name of religion, the obscene wealth held by the major religions, for one of which the OP is a propagandist ('tis so tempting to call him honey).

This a quote from a book of fairy stories and it applies to you and your ilk they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand
Locusts, if you look a lot closer at the problems you talk about I think you will find that those areas/countries are also the most religious, not getting a lot of help from their God are they, do you think that is because this God is nothing more than a fairy tale>

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will feed himself for a lifetime, Give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
Naomi has it right !

Whenever a bit of the bible is mentioned, its ALWAYS preaching !

But, go ahead...is a open forum and everybody has a right to contribute, as long as we remember the proverb ::::

Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt
When 2 nations or groups go to war over religion they are basically killing each other over who has the best imaginary friend.
I'm not sure I'd even classify it as preaching any more to be honest. Spam would be a more accurate description.
This post reminds me of the sad people who stand on boxes in the high st with a bible in one hand, maybe a megaphone, "preaching" to everyone who walks past.

Everybody ignores them and gets on with their lives.

You feel like shouting out, GO AND DO SOMETHING USEFUL like helping the sick or working for a charity.
//preaching – again// Well is better then preacing atheism, If atheism is gaining more attention. In the face of such pressures, we cannot merely hunker down and do nothing. We must take action in order to resist and thus protect ourselves. Jesus’ example shows us how we can succeed. (Matt 4:4)
//We must take action in order to resist and thus protect ourselves.//
Turning the other cheek is out then?
@Locusts. No, the existence of war, or food shortages, or of suffering do not prove that there is no god. I am not aware of anyone here who has said so.

On the other hand, I have seen several posters, like yourself, witter on that we have all been created by the all-powerful, benevolent, loving god - a god, moreover, that will respond to prayer etc - an intercessory god. A god that can perform miracles, we are told.

In those circumstances, I think it is reasonable to ask why such a god would allow such injustice, such inhumanity to continue, most especially since a lot of that injustice and inhumanity and barberous and downright murderous behaviour has been carried out in gods name.

Were I an immensely powerful creator god, able to suspend or circumvent the various natural laws, I would be very inclined to chastise those people who have taken my name in vain.

So, what miseries of the human condition there are is not proof of a lack of god, but the mere fact that they continue leads us to question whether such an entity does exist......
//I think it is reasonable to ask why such a god would allow such injustice, such inhumanity to continue, most especially since a lot of that injustice and inhumanity and barberous and downright murderous behaviour has been carried out in gods name//

True, but atheist of today, thinks that in this modern nuclear, space age it has become old-fashioned to believe in an god. In ancient times many gods was part of the everyday life of the people.
But where is your god that you have made for yourself?: our world is so populated with divinities that you can find a god more easily than a man.
@goodlife
The reason that gods were more prevalent in previous times is because a god was a convenient mechanism to explain the unknown.

As our knowledge of our surroundings and ourselves becomes more comprehensive, the need to explain something by invoking a god becomes superfluous.

I do not need a god, goodlife, nor do i want one. The world does not need a god either.
Actually ratter, your quote is slightly innacurate, if i may -

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.

Teach a man to fish and he lies in a boat and drinks beer all day.
locusts - are you a friend of goodlife by any chance?

You have the same habit of posting something which looks like a Question, which you then proceed to answer in the rather typically Chritian way of 'I know something you don't ...' which is thunderously tedious, and gives your faith a bad name.
Locusts, Re. 'knox bible revelation 11-18'

As nothing bad has happened yet could you please be a little more specific with the date of this occurence?
It's just that i've got a lot on this year and i need to plan ahead. tia
Nobody can prove a negative. You can't prove that Venus, Mars, Apollo, Isis, Osiris, Odin, Freya or Bananaman don't exist.
But what makes me suspect that there is no all-loving, all-powerful god is that, if he did exist, he'd have to take responsibility for being the biggest abortionist of all. Did you know that close to half of all human conceptions fail to result in a live child being born - with no human intervention at all - ? That's millions of abortions every day, caused by non-human means. Or god, in other words.
goodlife # populated with divinities that you can find a god more easily than a man#
The population of the world in 2012 was 7 billion therefore according to you there are far more than that number of gods.
Out of that 7billion+ gods the odds of yours being the only genuine one are 7billion+ against. Or put it another way, the chance of you being right ,even if there is a god, is less than 1 in 7 billion+.
Goodlife, //We must take action in order to resist and thus protect ourselves.//

Yes, it’s all about you as usual. You denigrate atheists, but you haven’t a clue about the works of the many humanist aid organisations around the world – not to mention countless individuals. Rather than educate yourself, you people prefer to help build yet another 'Kingdom Hall' and come here blowing your own trumpet for it. Not impressed – and if there is a God who’s actually worth his salt, I doubt he is either. You have nothing to be proud of.

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