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what is the reason for islamophobia?
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Yes, i understand recent years have not shown Islam in a good light, however other religion have and are doing bad things aswell, yet there is less hatred for these than there are for islam. Why?
Also people dont seem to understand the term "minority". Only a minority of muslims do bad things yet the whole religion is blamed. Again, why?
Also people dont seem to understand the term "minority". Only a minority of muslims do bad things yet the whole religion is blamed. Again, why?
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Jomifl – Thanks for telling me about the history or Israel, USA and UNO, but I don’t think that is what I was asking. And thanks again for avoiding the real question I asked by asking me the definition of Innocent in Quran now. As far as I am aware there is no difference but I will leave the ball in your court to give me something otherwise.
Naomi – I know the children are innocent and you do not need to tell me that. Do you believe that the people who are killing those children are terrorists or not. That is my question. And when and where I said that people who fly planes into buildings are innocent? I would like to know that.
Birdie – Ignored, does not deserve more than that.
/////Lightbulb - I know these answers will not do anything to change the atheist viewpoint but there you go.////
Lightbulb - I am happy that you are not expecting anything here and most importantly you are aware of that.
Sir Alec – People like you were allowed to work where you were supposed to give advice, but you seem to have no idea about what is the difference between Islam and Muslims. And then I am sure Muslims are not the only people who mistreat their wives this sort s of people are ever where but luckily in minority. But one thing I am sure that a person with biased opinion should not be giving advice to anyone.
Em – If you are interested in what Islam believes about sex and slavery then I appreciate if you could read this as well and just do not stop on that anti Islamic website you gave. After all I think that Atheists always claim that they are after knowledge. Or is it knowledge of certain kind. So there you go read this as well.
http://
Or if you are not bothered then perhaps give me one example where a slave within a lifetime became leader of the people who used to be his masters. And yes a black African slave, something West is still going through in minds.
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Finally, responses to this post itself shows how much Islamophobia there is. I am off to Spain for one week to see the history where Muslims ruled for centuries and were still in minority because they neither killed nor converted by force. But then again few people are narrow minded (didn’t I say that). I will leave you in the capable hands of lightbulb or Sith as few would like to say. And Sith, please let me know (here) once I am back if Jomifl, Naomi and Birdie would repeat my words about condemnation of the killing of innocent or if they would ever give their definition of innocent.
Naomi – I know the children are innocent and you do not need to tell me that. Do you believe that the people who are killing those children are terrorists or not. That is my question. And when and where I said that people who fly planes into buildings are innocent? I would like to know that.
Birdie – Ignored, does not deserve more than that.
/////Lightbulb - I know these answers will not do anything to change the atheist viewpoint but there you go.////
Lightbulb - I am happy that you are not expecting anything here and most importantly you are aware of that.
Sir Alec – People like you were allowed to work where you were supposed to give advice, but you seem to have no idea about what is the difference between Islam and Muslims. And then I am sure Muslims are not the only people who mistreat their wives this sort s of people are ever where but luckily in minority. But one thing I am sure that a person with biased opinion should not be giving advice to anyone.
Em – If you are interested in what Islam believes about sex and slavery then I appreciate if you could read this as well and just do not stop on that anti Islamic website you gave. After all I think that Atheists always claim that they are after knowledge. Or is it knowledge of certain kind. So there you go read this as well.
http://
Or if you are not bothered then perhaps give me one example where a slave within a lifetime became leader of the people who used to be his masters. And yes a black African slave, something West is still going through in minds.
http://
Finally, responses to this post itself shows how much Islamophobia there is. I am off to Spain for one week to see the history where Muslims ruled for centuries and were still in minority because they neither killed nor converted by force. But then again few people are narrow minded (didn’t I say that). I will leave you in the capable hands of lightbulb or Sith as few would like to say. And Sith, please let me know (here) once I am back if Jomifl, Naomi and Birdie would repeat my words about condemnation of the killing of innocent or if they would ever give their definition of innocent.
Sith, //But i still do not agree all muslims are bad. far from it. and i will continue to defend my religion. //
No one has said all Muslims are bad, and I doubt anyone believes that. What they are saying is Islam is far from perfect and warrants criticism. Shame you aren’t honest enough to say the same. If you were, questions such as the one you’ve raised wouldn’t be necessary because you would acknowledge the answer. Note I didn’t say ‘you would know the answer’. You do know the answer – but you refuse to acknowledge it. Whilst you may be determined to defend your religion, you cannot hope to defend the indefensible. It just doesn’t work.
//when islam started spreading through countries the reason why people accepted was because it was done peacefully through trade, preaches etc. //
What rubbish! Here you are – scroll down to ‘History’ and educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests
Lying: this is copied and pasted from the internet: Muhammad said: "Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people" (Ahmad, 6.459. H).
Bearing in mind the Koran specifically forbids the faithful to make friends with non-believers, one could argue that all non-believers are perceived by Muslims to be enemies – and let us not forget that Allah himself is the best of deceivers (3:54), so Muslims have , in their estimation, the best of teachers. ;o)
No one has said all Muslims are bad, and I doubt anyone believes that. What they are saying is Islam is far from perfect and warrants criticism. Shame you aren’t honest enough to say the same. If you were, questions such as the one you’ve raised wouldn’t be necessary because you would acknowledge the answer. Note I didn’t say ‘you would know the answer’. You do know the answer – but you refuse to acknowledge it. Whilst you may be determined to defend your religion, you cannot hope to defend the indefensible. It just doesn’t work.
//when islam started spreading through countries the reason why people accepted was because it was done peacefully through trade, preaches etc. //
What rubbish! Here you are – scroll down to ‘History’ and educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests
Lying: this is copied and pasted from the internet: Muhammad said: "Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people" (Ahmad, 6.459. H).
Bearing in mind the Koran specifically forbids the faithful to make friends with non-believers, one could argue that all non-believers are perceived by Muslims to be enemies – and let us not forget that Allah himself is the best of deceivers (3:54), so Muslims have , in their estimation, the best of teachers. ;o)
Keyplus, //I know the children are innocent and you do not need to tell me that. //
Well why ask me then? And I won’t hold my breath waiting for an apology for your disgusting lie.
//Do you believe that the people who are killing those children are terrorists or not. That is my question. //
No, I don’t. The two sides are involved in an on-going and seemingly irresolvable conflict and therefore if the Israelis who are killing Palestinian children are deemed to be terrorists, then the Palestinians killing Jewish children must also be terrorists – that’s simply logic - but I don’t expect you to agree. Why would you? Logic isn’t your forte.
//And when and where I said that people who fly planes into buildings are innocent? I would like to know that.//
You didn’t – but what you did say is that Muslims were not responsible. They were – and therefore they are not innocent.
//And Sith, please let me know (here) once I am back if Jomifl, Naomi and Birdie would repeat my words about condemnation of the killing of innocent …. //
I have repeated your words. Didn’t you read my post? And I note that regardless of your silly childish behaviour with Birdie, you still aren’t ignoring him as you consistently claim to.
//…..or if they would ever give their definition of innocent.//
This will do.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/innocent
Enjoy the Alhambra. It’s beautiful.
Well why ask me then? And I won’t hold my breath waiting for an apology for your disgusting lie.
//Do you believe that the people who are killing those children are terrorists or not. That is my question. //
No, I don’t. The two sides are involved in an on-going and seemingly irresolvable conflict and therefore if the Israelis who are killing Palestinian children are deemed to be terrorists, then the Palestinians killing Jewish children must also be terrorists – that’s simply logic - but I don’t expect you to agree. Why would you? Logic isn’t your forte.
//And when and where I said that people who fly planes into buildings are innocent? I would like to know that.//
You didn’t – but what you did say is that Muslims were not responsible. They were – and therefore they are not innocent.
//And Sith, please let me know (here) once I am back if Jomifl, Naomi and Birdie would repeat my words about condemnation of the killing of innocent …. //
I have repeated your words. Didn’t you read my post? And I note that regardless of your silly childish behaviour with Birdie, you still aren’t ignoring him as you consistently claim to.
//…..or if they would ever give their definition of innocent.//
This will do.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/innocent
Enjoy the Alhambra. It’s beautiful.
Keyplus, as I remember it, I asked you what what your understanding of the meaning or the word 'innocence' was. I thought that as an Arabic speaker you might be aware of slight differences in meaning between the English word 'inncence' and it's Arabic equivalent. However I now realise that your understanding of English is severely compromised by your religious prejudices so any answers that you give are not relevant to my question. Thankyou however for taking the time to consider it.
Keyplus - “... Birdie – Ignored, does not deserve more than that...”
The fact that you have clearly read my post (how would you know if it was deserving of a response unless you had read it?) and have then claimed to ignore it demonstrates – yet again – that you struggle with logic and reasoning to such an extent that you can't even ignore someone effectively.
You are an ignorant coward Keyplus – nothing more and nothing less.
The fact that you have clearly read my post (how would you know if it was deserving of a response unless you had read it?) and have then claimed to ignore it demonstrates – yet again – that you struggle with logic and reasoning to such an extent that you can't even ignore someone effectively.
You are an ignorant coward Keyplus – nothing more and nothing less.
Keyplus - “... Finally, responses to this post itself shows how much Islamophobia there is...”
There's no such thing as 'Islamophobia' Keyplus. This has been explained to you and others time and time again. I does not surprise me that you continue to claim that such a thing exists since you have a well deserved reputation for not listening to a damn thing that others tell you. You are both woefully and wilfully ignorant about a great many things. Some people are just poorly educated and can be forgiven for spouting nonsensical verbiage. You however, having been a member of AB for many years, cannot take refuge in that particular foxhole.
I know I'm flogging a dead horse but it still needs pointing out that disliking Islam does not make a person irrational and hence, 'phobic'.
You may think that people hate Islam for illogical and irrational reasons but what you will find is that most people dislike or even hate Islam because of people like you Keyplus. You claim to represent Islam (the supposed religion of peace) and yet you are openly arrogant, nonsensical, implacable, uncompromising, misogynistic, homophobic and intolerant of others. In short you are a terrible example for your plagiarised religion Keyplus.
If you really want to know why people dislike Islam, take a look in the mirror.
There's no such thing as 'Islamophobia' Keyplus. This has been explained to you and others time and time again. I does not surprise me that you continue to claim that such a thing exists since you have a well deserved reputation for not listening to a damn thing that others tell you. You are both woefully and wilfully ignorant about a great many things. Some people are just poorly educated and can be forgiven for spouting nonsensical verbiage. You however, having been a member of AB for many years, cannot take refuge in that particular foxhole.
I know I'm flogging a dead horse but it still needs pointing out that disliking Islam does not make a person irrational and hence, 'phobic'.
You may think that people hate Islam for illogical and irrational reasons but what you will find is that most people dislike or even hate Islam because of people like you Keyplus. You claim to represent Islam (the supposed religion of peace) and yet you are openly arrogant, nonsensical, implacable, uncompromising, misogynistic, homophobic and intolerant of others. In short you are a terrible example for your plagiarised religion Keyplus.
If you really want to know why people dislike Islam, take a look in the mirror.
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