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ToraToraTora | 16:53 Tue 26th Apr 2022 | Society & Culture
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-australia-61186402
surely it's undemocratic, how can it not be? You're damn well going to have democracy whether you want it or not! Only Australians can think that is democracy!
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I personally don't agree with the concept of compulsory voting. To my mind, the essence of democracy is choice, and that means an individual choice whether to vote or not. With the freedom to choose, you get an accurate picture of what the electorate wants, and that includes not being bothered enough to vote at all. Forcing people to vote encourages people to...
16:57 Tue 26th Apr 2022
I personally don't agree with the concept of compulsory voting.

To my mind, the essence of democracy is choice, and that means an individual choice whether to vote or not.

With the freedom to choose, you get an accurate picture of what the electorate wants, and that includes not being bothered enough to vote at all.

Forcing people to vote encourages people to simply stick a cross anywhere, because they are being forced into a process in which they have no real interest.

That leads to a distortion of the voting intentions of people who vote because they wish to, and defeats the object of a vote in the first place.
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gotta give you the Quick draw badge for that one Andy! Bang on. I don't see how forcing a choice is any more valid than letting those who are not interested not vote.
Thanks TTT.
they are still free to spoil ballot papers, and many do.

Strictly speaking it's not compulsory voting. Nobody stands over you to ensure you've placed a cross. All they can do is ensure you have a voting paper in your hand. Compared with the US Deep South methods of ensuring black people do not have voting papers in their hand, this seems much preferable.

Plus Aussies use it as an excuse to get together for democracy sausages

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/17/australia/australia-sausage-sizzle-election-intl/index.html
jno - // Strictly speaking it's not compulsory voting. Nobody stands over you to ensure you've placed a cross. All they can do is ensure you have a voting paper in your hand. //

That's true, but it flies in the face of choice, which is a cornerstone of democracy.

If you are going to force everyone to do something against their will, you are never going to be able to use logical debate to encourage people to be involved in the democratic process, and actually care about who governs them.
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jno: "Strictly speaking it's not compulsory voting." - of course it is, they have to actually arrange to "vote" even if they don't actually vote, they can't just do nothing at all.
//Only Australians can think that is democracy!//

While I agree with this being undemocratic and almost unenforceable, what have the Aussies done in the past to deserve that statement?
probably doesn't make a heap of difference to the result
davebro, while a Brit who thinks the candidates are all rubbish can just stay home an Aussie has to turn up and spoil his ballot paper.
How can it be undemocratic if you can spoil your ballot paper?
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"How can it be undemocratic if you can spoil your ballot paper? " - because you are forced to go and do it.
We are all forced to do (or not to do) things against our will. The laws of the land and all that. What a daft post this is.
Does anyone take any notice if the turnout is low in our system?

Would more notice be taken if the turnout was 100% (enforced) and more than 50% voted for "none of the above" or spoiled their paper? You would hope so ...
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elipsis:"Does anyone take any notice if the turnout is low in our system?" - yes and that can be a concern but it shows the people concerned are not bothered enough to vote. That itself can be a symptom of disillusionment or even approval either way forcing a vote is not democracy.
> it shows the people concerned are not bothered enough to vote

Does it? Or does it show they think the candidates are all terrible? Or does it show that they are completely disenchanted with the entire political system?

How do you know what it shows, for any given non-voter?
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yes elipsis it could show those things but how will forcing them to vote help?
I think the problem with our current political system is that a donkey could win in some seats if it had the right coloured rosette. I think a lot of people are completely turned off and this allows those elected to believe they have a (sometimes huge) mandate, when the truth is far from that. For example, 60% of the vote (huge!) on a 40% turnout (not unusual) is 24%.

Forcing people to vote, now and again at least, would show just what people thought of politics and politicians for a fact.
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a "none of the above" option would help.
It would.
Ellipsis - // Forcing people to vote, now and again at least, would show just what people thought of politics and politicians for a fact. //

It doesn't though.

You can force people to go through the motions, but you can't force them to indicate their views on either the candidates, or the system they are forced to experience.

Only free will can ever truly indicate opinions in an election, and that includes the right simply not to turn up.

Or to turn up and vote for 'any of them because they are all the same aren't they?'

It's a flawed system, because no free will system can be flawless, but it beats forcing people against their will any day of the week.

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