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Did God Use Evolution To Create Life?
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Did God Use Evolution to Create Life? Has All Life Descended From a Common Ancestor? What does the evidence reveal? Does the evidence support the Bible’s description of events, or was Darwin correct? What have discoveries over the past 150 years revealed?
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Theland - // There is not a single way known to man or science for life to begin from inert chemicals without appealing to the Life Giver, God. //
Once again you revert to your belief, and try to pass it off as a fact.
And once again, I have to repeat, that just because science does not, in our lifetime, have answers to the origins of the universe, does not automatically mean that there are no answers to be found, and therefore "It must be God ... "
As I have said before, as have others, absence of evidence for one concept does not automatically confer ownership rights on another, given that the other is offered with an equal complete absence of evidence.
Experience shows that you do not believe this, and never will, but such rigid unwillingness to simply accept a basic truth indicates a closed mind, and that is why we go over this time and time again.
Once again you revert to your belief, and try to pass it off as a fact.
And once again, I have to repeat, that just because science does not, in our lifetime, have answers to the origins of the universe, does not automatically mean that there are no answers to be found, and therefore "It must be God ... "
As I have said before, as have others, absence of evidence for one concept does not automatically confer ownership rights on another, given that the other is offered with an equal complete absence of evidence.
Experience shows that you do not believe this, and never will, but such rigid unwillingness to simply accept a basic truth indicates a closed mind, and that is why we go over this time and time again.
We live in a box called the universe.
Those whose faith is in science, ''Scientists,'' believe all answers to every question has, is or will come from within the box.
Theists believe in another dimension outside of the box, that can and does act on the box, as well as being responsible for the creation of the box.
There have been revelations to us from outside of the box, telling us about creation and life itself.
Those whose faith is in science, ''Scientists,'' believe all answers to every question has, is or will come from within the box.
Theists believe in another dimension outside of the box, that can and does act on the box, as well as being responsible for the creation of the box.
There have been revelations to us from outside of the box, telling us about creation and life itself.
There haven't. But those aren't the meanings of those words.
Science is about finding and proving "truth". And the truth is the truth- even if nobody in the world believes it, knows, understands or likes it. That doesn't alter it. Nothing to do with inside or outside "boxes".
Faith is believing something, out of choice, with no proof.
Science is about finding and proving "truth". And the truth is the truth- even if nobody in the world believes it, knows, understands or likes it. That doesn't alter it. Nothing to do with inside or outside "boxes".
Faith is believing something, out of choice, with no proof.
Theland - // We live in a box called the universe.
Those whose faith is in science, ''Scientists,'' believe all answers to every question has, is or will come from within the box.
Theists believe in another dimension outside of the box, that can and does act on the box, as well as being responsible for the creation of the box.
There have been revelations to us from outside of the box, telling us about creation and life itself. //
I don;t know about you, but I am tired of simply riding the same merry-go-round that is debating with you.
You maintain a complete unwillingness to simply admit that you do not have any answers, only what you believe to be true, which is absolutely not the same thing.
On that basis, there is really nothing more I can say to you, and so I am no withdrawing completely from debating the notion of God and the universe with you - it has been, and is not toing to continue to be any longer, and complete and utter waste of my valuable time.
Enjoy your belief, it clearly sustains you, as does the convenience of simply not having to bother entertaining the notion that you might actually be wrong.
I can't deal with that, so I am stoppng trying.
Sleep well.
Those whose faith is in science, ''Scientists,'' believe all answers to every question has, is or will come from within the box.
Theists believe in another dimension outside of the box, that can and does act on the box, as well as being responsible for the creation of the box.
There have been revelations to us from outside of the box, telling us about creation and life itself. //
I don;t know about you, but I am tired of simply riding the same merry-go-round that is debating with you.
You maintain a complete unwillingness to simply admit that you do not have any answers, only what you believe to be true, which is absolutely not the same thing.
On that basis, there is really nothing more I can say to you, and so I am no withdrawing completely from debating the notion of God and the universe with you - it has been, and is not toing to continue to be any longer, and complete and utter waste of my valuable time.
Enjoy your belief, it clearly sustains you, as does the convenience of simply not having to bother entertaining the notion that you might actually be wrong.
I can't deal with that, so I am stoppng trying.
Sleep well.
I have no problem with people believing whatever they like, if it doesn't harm anyone else. It's the suggestion that there is evidence or proof (which as PP says, makes it Science and not faith, anyway).
Once you suggest there is some, you should really be able to provide it. Otherwise, just be honest and admit nobody knows, but that's what you like to think.
Once you suggest there is some, you should really be able to provide it. Otherwise, just be honest and admit nobody knows, but that's what you like to think.
Theland //''Scientists,'' believe all answers to every question has, is or will come from within the box.//
Many scientists believe in pocket or parallel universes. The main difference between the mindset of a scientist and that of yourself, is that a scientist is wiling to be disproved and continue to learn. You on the other hand, will only accept theories that support your belief. You have a closed mind.
Many scientists believe in pocket or parallel universes. The main difference between the mindset of a scientist and that of yourself, is that a scientist is wiling to be disproved and continue to learn. You on the other hand, will only accept theories that support your belief. You have a closed mind.
Mozz - the only proof you will accept comes from within the universe, which was created by God.
I notice how there is a reluctance to consider the spiritual dimension, yet, hypocritically, it is atheists who occasionally mention the possibility of a multiverse, or panspermia.
So just what the cotton picking 'eck is going on here?
Somebody hold up a mirror!
Let the hypocrites reveal themselves to be what they are!
I notice how there is a reluctance to consider the spiritual dimension, yet, hypocritically, it is atheists who occasionally mention the possibility of a multiverse, or panspermia.
So just what the cotton picking 'eck is going on here?
Somebody hold up a mirror!
Let the hypocrites reveal themselves to be what they are!
Theland, //I notice how there is a reluctance to consider the spiritual dimension, yet, hypocritically, it is atheists who occasionally mention the possibility of a multiverse, or panspermia.//
What does the possibility of a multiverse or panspermia have to do with spirituality - and how is mentioning either hypocritical?
What does the possibility of a multiverse or panspermia have to do with spirituality - and how is mentioning either hypocritical?
//I notice how there is a reluctance to consider the spiritual dimension//
Far from it!
I spent years (after my deconversion from Christianity) to trying to ascertain whether there was a spiritual realm.
I spent YEARS looking into this stuff.
Everything from attending Spiritualist Churches/Seances
to Ouija Boards.
To becoming a member of a local paranormal research team (I appeared to be their token sceptic)
I looked into everything and even took a GCSE In psychology to study how the mind works.
Far from a *reluctance* to consider the spiritual...
So stop with the lies.
Far from it!
I spent years (after my deconversion from Christianity) to trying to ascertain whether there was a spiritual realm.
I spent YEARS looking into this stuff.
Everything from attending Spiritualist Churches/Seances
to Ouija Boards.
To becoming a member of a local paranormal research team (I appeared to be their token sceptic)
I looked into everything and even took a GCSE In psychology to study how the mind works.
Far from a *reluctance* to consider the spiritual...
So stop with the lies.
Andy, you ask for evidence?
Great!
Read up on the best science papers you can find, with state of the art laboratories, and the most powerful computers, and what have they managed to raise from simple inert chemicals?
Answer is zilch!
So there is your scientific experimental result, leaving God as the best explanation for the introduction of life.
Of course, you believe in scientism, the faith based hope that science will eventually solve the problem, but you don't have a shred of evidence to support such optimism.
Your pride blinds you to the truth.
Great!
Read up on the best science papers you can find, with state of the art laboratories, and the most powerful computers, and what have they managed to raise from simple inert chemicals?
Answer is zilch!
So there is your scientific experimental result, leaving God as the best explanation for the introduction of life.
Of course, you believe in scientism, the faith based hope that science will eventually solve the problem, but you don't have a shred of evidence to support such optimism.
Your pride blinds you to the truth.
Nailit @19:40
Your bookshelf is crammed with what? Garbage!
You've pushed God out and put out the welcome mat for Satan.
Satan loves psychology, and it seems you have embraced it, and wonder why you suffer depression?
You need to break free, and be strong in the face of the inevitable attacks that will come, if you turn back to God.
I hope and pray that you do, and ignore the brickbats that you will get from the reasoners and logicians on here who make all the noise to be expected from empty vessels.
Your bookshelf is crammed with what? Garbage!
You've pushed God out and put out the welcome mat for Satan.
Satan loves psychology, and it seems you have embraced it, and wonder why you suffer depression?
You need to break free, and be strong in the face of the inevitable attacks that will come, if you turn back to God.
I hope and pray that you do, and ignore the brickbats that you will get from the reasoners and logicians on here who make all the noise to be expected from empty vessels.
That appears to be the recipe for persuading others to 'believe in God'. Ignore, ignore, ignore. Ignore reason, ignore logic, ignore science. Ignore the only means we have for distinguishing reality for delusion. Ignore anything and everything that might bring into question the validity of your beliefs or the state of your own mind. Ignore any facts that might disturb the vacuum you seek to create to fill with your own unsubstantiated depraved twisted version of reality, that all anyone needs is to believe, believe, believe that 'God' is the answer to anything and everything for which you lack knowledge or simply prefer to believe. Ignore what you refuse to acknowledge, that which you have destroyed in yourself, the innate human pursuit of understanding.
Your contempt for humanity and our need for reason and to find a reason for living is matched only by your desire to drag as many fellow victims willing to swallow the big lie down with you as you can find, the belief in the promise of a meaningless, mindless eternity in exchange for the opportunity to have realised a life that might have been worth living.
Your contempt for humanity and our need for reason and to find a reason for living is matched only by your desire to drag as many fellow victims willing to swallow the big lie down with you as you can find, the belief in the promise of a meaningless, mindless eternity in exchange for the opportunity to have realised a life that might have been worth living.
I'm no scientist, but have observed that evolution within a species happens, and is still happening. However, there seems to be scanty evidence that evolution happens across a species- pigs do not become dogs, or dogs become pigs- the evolution is contained within the species. If evolution across a species were true, wouldn't there be thousands of fossils of creatures in "half" stages between different creatures? Let's take the pig, for example. Where are all the fossils showing the "evolution" up to it's current species- and why aren't there any of the earlier "varieties" running (swimming?) around?
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