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Something that the churches don’t teach you.
No,more than 40 years, I have worked as a naval architect and marine engineer. My work has involved designing vessels of various shapes and sizes, along with the mechanical and other systems that propel them. The Bible book of Genesis describes Noah’s ark as a long box, or chest. This description intrigued me, and I decided to look into it further.
The ark’s length was six times its width and ten times its height. Many modern ships have similar proportions, although for them the length-to-breadth ratio is chosen with regard to the power required to move them through the water. The ark, on the other hand, had only to float. How well would it have performed?
The manner in which vessels respond to wind and waves is called seakeeping behavior. This too is related to a vessel’s proportions. The Bible describes the tremendous downpour that produced the Flood and also says that God later caused a wind to blow. (Genesis 7:11, 12, 17-20; 8:1) The Scriptures do not say how strong the waves and wind were, but likely both wind and waves would have been powerful and changeable, even as they can be today. The longer and harder the wind blows, the higher and farther apart are the waves. In addition, any seismic action could have produced strong waves.
The ark’s proportions contributed to its stability, preventing it from capsizing. The ark was also designed to deal with the forces that could cause it to pitch lengthwise in heavy seas. Extreme pitching—when each wave lifts one end of the vessel and then allows it to plunge downward—would have been very uncomfortable for the people and animals on board. Pitching also puts heavy stresses on a vessel.
The structure must be strong enough to resist the tendency to sag in the middle when large waves lift both ends of the vessel at the same time. Yet, when a large wave lifts the vessel at its midpoint, with nothing to support its ends, the bow and stern may bend downward. God told Noah to use a length-to-depth ratio of 10 to 1. Later shipbuilders would learn only by hard experience that such a ratio can accommodate these stresses.
Because of the ark’s chestlike shape, buoyancy—the force that makes a boat float—would have been uniform from end to end. Its weight too would have been uniform. Likely, Noah made sure that the cargo—including the animals and more than a year’s supply of food—was distributed evenly. Good weight distribution minimizes the additional stress that cargo places on a vessel’s structure. Thus, two main factors contributed to the ability of the ark and its passengers to ride out the global Flood safely—the ark’s divinely originated design and God protective care. God undoubtedly saw to it that the ark came to rest in a safe and suitable location.
My thorough examination of this subject led me to conclude that what the Bible says about Noah’s ark is realistic and consistent with modern shipbuilding practice. Of course, there are many details about the ark and the Flood that are not mentioned in the Genesis account. I hope one day, after the resurrection, to meet Noah here on earth, right among the families of humans and animals whose existence was made possible by the ark that he worked so long and hard to construct. (Acts 24:15; Hebrews 11:7) First, I will thank him and his family. Then I will ply him with many questions.
No,more than 40 years, I have worked as a naval architect and marine engineer. My work has involved designing vessels of various shapes and sizes, along with the mechanical and other systems that propel them. The Bible book of Genesis describes Noah’s ark as a long box, or chest. This description intrigued me, and I decided to look into it further.
The ark’s length was six times its width and ten times its height. Many modern ships have similar proportions, although for them the length-to-breadth ratio is chosen with regard to the power required to move them through the water. The ark, on the other hand, had only to float. How well would it have performed?
The manner in which vessels respond to wind and waves is called seakeeping behavior. This too is related to a vessel’s proportions. The Bible describes the tremendous downpour that produced the Flood and also says that God later caused a wind to blow. (Genesis 7:11, 12, 17-20; 8:1) The Scriptures do not say how strong the waves and wind were, but likely both wind and waves would have been powerful and changeable, even as they can be today. The longer and harder the wind blows, the higher and farther apart are the waves. In addition, any seismic action could have produced strong waves.
The ark’s proportions contributed to its stability, preventing it from capsizing. The ark was also designed to deal with the forces that could cause it to pitch lengthwise in heavy seas. Extreme pitching—when each wave lifts one end of the vessel and then allows it to plunge downward—would have been very uncomfortable for the people and animals on board. Pitching also puts heavy stresses on a vessel.
The structure must be strong enough to resist the tendency to sag in the middle when large waves lift both ends of the vessel at the same time. Yet, when a large wave lifts the vessel at its midpoint, with nothing to support its ends, the bow and stern may bend downward. God told Noah to use a length-to-depth ratio of 10 to 1. Later shipbuilders would learn only by hard experience that such a ratio can accommodate these stresses.
Because of the ark’s chestlike shape, buoyancy—the force that makes a boat float—would have been uniform from end to end. Its weight too would have been uniform. Likely, Noah made sure that the cargo—including the animals and more than a year’s supply of food—was distributed evenly. Good weight distribution minimizes the additional stress that cargo places on a vessel’s structure. Thus, two main factors contributed to the ability of the ark and its passengers to ride out the global Flood safely—the ark’s divinely originated design and God protective care. God undoubtedly saw to it that the ark came to rest in a safe and suitable location.
My thorough examination of this subject led me to conclude that what the Bible says about Noah’s ark is realistic and consistent with modern shipbuilding practice. Of course, there are many details about the ark and the Flood that are not mentioned in the Genesis account. I hope one day, after the resurrection, to meet Noah here on earth, right among the families of humans and animals whose existence was made possible by the ark that he worked so long and hard to construct. (Acts 24:15; Hebrews 11:7) First, I will thank him and his family. Then I will ply him with many questions.
@ Elderman - Is this you then?
http://twextra.com/afc44y
Otherwise, it is amazing that yet another marine engineer with more than 40 years experience is posting on exactly the same subject? Coincidence, or are you, yet again, passing off someone elses work as your own, again without attribution?
Its a mythic story, common to many other religions. You cannot rationally conclude that the ark story or its build fits within any sort of scientific worldview is nonsense , so most of this article has no value at all. Only if you posit scifi or magic could the ark be remotely true - and even then the story fails due to lack of any corrobating geophyisical or archeaological evidence.
More fundamentalist zealotry.
http://twextra.com/afc44y
Otherwise, it is amazing that yet another marine engineer with more than 40 years experience is posting on exactly the same subject? Coincidence, or are you, yet again, passing off someone elses work as your own, again without attribution?
Its a mythic story, common to many other religions. You cannot rationally conclude that the ark story or its build fits within any sort of scientific worldview is nonsense , so most of this article has no value at all. Only if you posit scifi or magic could the ark be remotely true - and even then the story fails due to lack of any corrobating geophyisical or archeaological evidence.
More fundamentalist zealotry.
Who’s a clever boy then. Can you honestly say that you have not been warned? We have before us the same appearance of things as in Noah’s generation. Today, many are absorbed in their own day-to-day living and long-range planning. God and his purposes with regard to humankind and this earth do not even enter their minds. Many people claim to be Christians and belong to some religious denomination, but only for the convenience and the so-called respectable image it gives them in modern society. They simply ‘take no note’ of the warning and must therefore take the consequences. But what about you? Will you wisely heed the signs of the times? No, so you go with them.
Sorry, Elderman, the actual details of the Ark are as set out thousands of years earlier in the Epic of Gilgamesh -
‘In the first light of dawn all my household gathered round me, the children brought pitch and the men whatever was necessary. On the fifth day I
laid the keel and the ribs, then I made fast the planking. The ground-space was one acre, each side
of the deck measured one hundred and twenty cubits, making a square. I built six decks below, seven in all, I divided them into nine sections with bulkheads
between. I drove in wedges where needed, I saw to the punt poles, and laid in supplies. The carriers brought oil in baskets, I poured pitch into the furnace
and asphalt and oil; more oil was consumed in caulking, and more again the master of the boat took into his stores. I slaughtered bullocks for the people
and every day I killed sheep. I gave the shipwrights wine to drink as though it were river water, raw wine and red wine and oil and white wine. There was
feasting then as -there is at the time of the New Year's festival; I myself anointed my head. On the seventh day the boat was complete
That's just one of the earlier flood stories...
‘In the first light of dawn all my household gathered round me, the children brought pitch and the men whatever was necessary. On the fifth day I
laid the keel and the ribs, then I made fast the planking. The ground-space was one acre, each side
of the deck measured one hundred and twenty cubits, making a square. I built six decks below, seven in all, I divided them into nine sections with bulkheads
between. I drove in wedges where needed, I saw to the punt poles, and laid in supplies. The carriers brought oil in baskets, I poured pitch into the furnace
and asphalt and oil; more oil was consumed in caulking, and more again the master of the boat took into his stores. I slaughtered bullocks for the people
and every day I killed sheep. I gave the shipwrights wine to drink as though it were river water, raw wine and red wine and oil and white wine. There was
feasting then as -there is at the time of the New Year's festival; I myself anointed my head. On the seventh day the boat was complete
That's just one of the earlier flood stories...
@Elderman - Yes, thats what helps mankind along. Abstract thought, intelligence, and rational thinking. Its all those abilitites which allow us to understand the place in history of religion, and its decreasing relevance to the modern world now.
You still haven't answered my question - are you the selfsame marine engineer of 40 years standing that I linked to? Or were you plagiarising/ passing off others work as your own again?
You still haven't answered my question - are you the selfsame marine engineer of 40 years standing that I linked to? Or were you plagiarising/ passing off others work as your own again?
@Elderman
Do you ever watch natural history documentaries? There are loads on the TV. I like the ones about the big cats – lions, tigers, etc. I find them fascinating. One of the striking things about big cats is their need for exercise, food and to poo. They need all three of these things in order to stay alive and healthy and they need them every day without fail. If you place an animal such as a lion in a confined enclosure for more than a day, it will become highly agitated and aggressive. Continue with its confinement for a few more days and it will become not only more aggressive and agitated, it will also be up to it's knees in its own excrement.
Now multiply that scenario by several thousand – each individual animal having to be fed, watered, exercised, and cleaned out.
How many people were aboard the Ark? - Apparently 8 people. Just 8 people to feed, clean out, exercise, care for and control thousands upon thousands of animals for over a month...
It's quite pathetic that grown men and women entertain this obvious falsehood.
Do you ever watch natural history documentaries? There are loads on the TV. I like the ones about the big cats – lions, tigers, etc. I find them fascinating. One of the striking things about big cats is their need for exercise, food and to poo. They need all three of these things in order to stay alive and healthy and they need them every day without fail. If you place an animal such as a lion in a confined enclosure for more than a day, it will become highly agitated and aggressive. Continue with its confinement for a few more days and it will become not only more aggressive and agitated, it will also be up to it's knees in its own excrement.
Now multiply that scenario by several thousand – each individual animal having to be fed, watered, exercised, and cleaned out.
How many people were aboard the Ark? - Apparently 8 people. Just 8 people to feed, clean out, exercise, care for and control thousands upon thousands of animals for over a month...
It's quite pathetic that grown men and women entertain this obvious falsehood.
Every so often, it seems, there is a flurry of publicity about the search for Noah’s ark. The excitement is understandable. That gigantic vessel in which Noah and his family survived the Flood back in 2370-2369 B.C.E. would certainly make for a remarkable archaeological find. Despite many efforts, though, the search for Noah’s ark is ongoing. Amid all the speculation and sensational claims, what is actually known?
The Bible reveals that Noah’s ark “came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.” (Genesis 8:4) The region of Ararat includes the prominent peak now called Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey.
But would finding Noah’s ark really confirm and even create faith?No, The Bible shows that genuine faith does not depend on objects we can see and touch. (2 Corinthians 5:7) Some people are so skeptical that they insist that only physical evidence would enable them to put faith in certain Bible accounts. The truth is, though, that for such individuals no amount of evidence would produce faith. Jesus himself said that some people simply cannot be convinced of spiritual truths—even if they should see someone rise from the dead!—Luke 16:31.
The Bible reveals that Noah’s ark “came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.” (Genesis 8:4) The region of Ararat includes the prominent peak now called Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey.
But would finding Noah’s ark really confirm and even create faith?No, The Bible shows that genuine faith does not depend on objects we can see and touch. (2 Corinthians 5:7) Some people are so skeptical that they insist that only physical evidence would enable them to put faith in certain Bible accounts. The truth is, though, that for such individuals no amount of evidence would produce faith. Jesus himself said that some people simply cannot be convinced of spiritual truths—even if they should see someone rise from the dead!—Luke 16:31.
For Christ's sake, Elderman, give up this incessant copy and pasting. It's about time the Ed did something about you - such as banning you.
This latest contribution, folks, is yet another c and p from the Watchtower.
evidence: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/813633 - where you will find the reference and the exact words quoted.
This latest contribution, folks, is yet another c and p from the Watchtower.
evidence: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/813633 - where you will find the reference and the exact words quoted.
^^ All you've done is abridged the original (in the above link) and very slightly altered the wording here and there. It's still someone else's work.
Do you not have the courage of your own convictions to debate in your own words? Hasn't God seen fit to empower you with the ability to robustly defend your faith and refute the heathens using nothing other than your own intellect?
Do you not have the courage of your own convictions to debate in your own words? Hasn't God seen fit to empower you with the ability to robustly defend your faith and refute the heathens using nothing other than your own intellect?
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