Ocean Currents Slowing Down

[anfbeauty]

I've been doing research on climate change for the past few years and as I read over scientific data and predictions I can't help but feel that I have read these same prediction before somewhere else. Anyone else feel that way? Here are a few websites that I challenge everyone to read over and then post any responses as to where they may have heard similar scenarios. I'm curious as to if anyone has caught what I have caught. Later on I'll post the references as to where I have heard of these things happening but I want to hear what other people have to say first-
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/s861.htm
http://www.gbn.com/ArticleDisplayServlet.srv?aid=26231
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3492631. stm
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/ann_dryice.htm
* These are just a few out of many websites- if you want more reading material just let me know- I have plenty!
** For the people who do see what I see, I really want to emphasize the time frame of these scientific predictions

[gammaray]

The premise that Man is responsible for global warming is a myth. 15000 years ago most of europe was sub tropical. Within a hundred years it was covered in ice... Go figure!

[jake-the-peg]

The last ice age was from 22,000 to 14,000 years ago gammaray - where do you get the idea from that it was sub-tropical?

I'm most impressed that you are so confident that man's influence on climate is a myth - for at least 20 years it's been occupying an awful lot of very brilliant minds and taking a heck of a lot of computer time, satellite observations and ice core expeditions.

I'll ring around and tell them all to go home, that you've got it sussed an that your Nobel prize is in the post!

[gammaray]

It's a matter of historical fact Jake, look it up! I'm not talking about an ice age I'm talking about a climate shift. I'm not saying that the warming of the planet isn't happening, just that it's man's arrogance that leads to the assumtion he is responsible. Historical climate shifts show this to be a myth.

[gammaray]

I also said 15000 years ago - which seems to fall into your time frame!

[CT]

The final article you've listed is not really worth paying much attention to. There is no proof of what the author is saying. No science, to back up the claims.

[JustSia]

I would largely ignore the second last article also.

What annoys me the most are the words 'predict climate'. We know far too little about climate and the environment to play Ini Mini Miny Mo and on the basis of that result declare that it is "a more serious threat to national security than al-Qaeda". That is just irresponsible.

Gammaray, you are right to question the Man's envolvement in Global Warming, yet wrong to dismiss it. The fact that there is very little proof of its effect does not mean we are blameless. Science should consider all of the variables and we are one of those. Our actions bare consequences, it's just nobody knows what they are or how to distinguish them from what would happen if we were not involved.

Considering historical climate shifts we are just about on the brink of a new ice age, so all this might just be a normal process. Our influence however, might either speed it up or slow it down or perhaps affect its' course.

Either way it is unavoidable.

S.

[anfbeauty]

I definetly agree that its unavoidable and that, while man probably has played some part in speeding this along, it was inevitable that this would happen- by the way no one has caught what I have yet- keep posting(:

[jake-the-peg]

Gammaray you said 15000 years ago most of Europe was sub-tropical.

I'm telling you it was in an ice age!

Did it ever occur to you that climate change might just be a tad more complex than saying "We've seen big changes in the past therefore it can't be man's influence?"

It may be that it isn't but it may also be that it is. In the few days after 9/11 there was an observed change in the opposite direction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming

Which strongly implies that human activity can have an impact.

Which ever way you look at it the following are widely agreed:

1/ The Earth's climate is warming rapidly

2/ Carbon in the atmosphere is at it's highest level for thousands of years

3/ Carbon emissions heat the atmosphere

4/ Humans create carbon emission

I think it's fair to say the planets getting hotter and we're not helping!

[gammaray]

I just have an opinion Jake. I'm sure for every one who shares my opinion there are the same number of others that don't. Even amongst the scientific community there are opposing arguments. If the boffins can't agree there 's no chance for a der brain like me!

[JustSia]

Jake-the-peg, no one is denying Man's involvement, the question is how much of it is affecting the Earth's natural warming process.

You would also find that Earth's climate is not warming as rapidly as you might suspect. In

[JustSia]

Ooop,s pressed the wrong button.

Continued.

In fact some areas are not experiencing any warming, where as others are cooling.

Atmospheric gases change constantly, and although carbon emmisions have increased the atmospheric warming can not be atributed solely to that.

The persentage of carbon emmisions in the atmospher is still increadibly low. Most of the damage is done by land use.

Still the point remains that these changes are natural in the Earths evolution, whether we like it or not.

S

[CT]

Jake-the-peg, technically we're still in an ice age, one that has been going on for much longer than the recent effects that have been mentioned here. Can't remeber too much about this though. Few years since I studied it.

[JustSia]

CT, last mini ice age finished mid 19th century, hence the difficulty in establishing how much of the present warming is attributed to the humans.

S.

[anfbeauty]

Since no one really caught what I found to be so interesting I'll just go ahead and post the references that I found so peculiarly similar- and I do realize that this may cause a bit of a ruckus and a good bit of opposition but I encourage everyone to at least read these references simply because it is so interesting that modern scientists sound like they are regurgitating thousands of years old prophecy, even if you aren't a Christian or religious- you have to admit it's interesting:

The one that I thought was the most interesting was Revelations 7:1- it was the one that first made me realize how much predictions on abrupt climate change and Biblical end times prophecy seem to say the same thing. It says "After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree." Revelations 7:1 (NAS)

-Now, I guess one of the most important things to understand when reading prophecy is that when the author, in this case John, was writing these things, he did not have the modern vocabulary to describe a lot of what he was seeing. So, in order to try and understand prophecy you have to try and picture what those words look like. If John had wrote- "then, due to an increase in greenhouse gasses began the melting of glaciers in the arctic region, which disrupted the oceans salinity and ultimately caused the collapse of the thermohaline conveyor, therefore the Atlantic jet stream collapsed and so there was no dramatic transfer of winds" people would have thought he had lost it because most of those words were nonexistent at that time. So when I read Revelations 7:1, I can see how what John said could very well look like what would happen if our ocean currents shut down.

[anfbeauty]

And after Revelations 7:1 flows a multitude of similar predictions:
-In Revelations 8:7, in modern terms, it sounds like a prediction of mass forest fires "...a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up."

-In Revelations 8:8-9, it talks about how many of the creatures of the sea will die- which would defiantly happen if the currents shut down, the water temperature continued to rise, and the salinity continues to be disrupted "...a third of the sea became blood, and a third of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died..."

-Revelations 8:10-11 talks about our drinking water being contaminated- which is very clearly predicted in the Pentagons report "...a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter."

-Throughout Revelations 9, it talks about a mass infestation of some sort of pest unlike we have ever seen- which is also predicted and probable if we were to have the weather conditions likely when abrupt climate change occurs- Towards the end of Revelations 9, I can see how what he is describing could look like a nuclear attack

-Throughout Revelations and End Times prophecy, it's common knowledge that storms will be devastatingly bad- You can find that in Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, Isaiah 4, ect.

-Revelations 16:8 talks about fierce heat "The fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun, and it was given to it to scorch men with fire. Men were scorched with fierce heat..."

-Revelations 16:20 talks about islands disappearing "And every island fled away..."

-Revelations 6:4 talks about wars breaking out "... it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another..."

[anfbeauty]

-Revelations 6:5-6 talks about inflation "...he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. And I heard something like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying, 'A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius..."

-Revelations 6:7-8 just talks about a large number of people dieing from a variety of reasons including famine "...one fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth."

-Matthew 24:7 also talks about famine, wars and earthquakes "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes"

-"Because lawlessness is increased, most peoples love will grow cold." Matthew 24:12

-Conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time, when many will go back and forth, and knowledge is increased. Daniel 12:4