Saturday Times Cryptic 26,874 Saturday November 4Th 2017

[hope3fully]

4d bad golfer welcomes a quiet game for kids 8 a- - - - -- - 23a key for ward 5- - n-r 11a cr foolish that is ,crossing old lady? l-a-e

[Neveracrossword]

4 Leapfrog - anagram of 'golfer' and 'a' and 'p' (quiet, musical term).

[donny48]

11 inane

[Neveracrossword]

23 Minor - it means both a key (music again) and a ward/child.

[bookbinder]

23 minor

[donny48]

I failed to spot 23a because of the layout.

[Flonska]

4d Leapfrog? (golfer anag + a = p (pianissimo - quite)?

[hope3fully]

many thanks

[Flonska]

sorry . . quiet . . . not quite!

[Neveracrossword]

Thanks for the 'pianissimo', Flonska - I wasn't quite (!) sure of the spelling, so missed it out.

[vetuste_ennemi]

i.(nan)e.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Oh, 16:14. Wake up, VE.

[Neveracrossword]

Glad I could help, hope3fully.

[Flonska]

NeverX . . . with my fat fingers, I had to take extra care on that one to make sure I got it right !!