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Whilst this does seem a bit far fetched do not be too complacent.
Electoral fraud and misbehaviour was virtually unheard of in the UK until relatively recently. However there is no doubt that widespread abuse goes on, particularly in areas with high concentrations of Muslims. There have been a number of enquiries into suspicious behaviour but it took the private legal action of four of the electorate in Tower Hamlets to brink Mr Lutfur Rahman, the (illegally) “elected” mayor of that hapless borough, to book. The authorities had refused to take action against him following his last electoral “success” and the four had to risk considerable sums of their own cash to bring the action before the electoral court. There’s plenty of stuff available to show what transpired but the judge’s ruling makes breathtaking reading.
Of course this was misbehaviour by a candidate and should not be compared to government interference in a poll. But the UK’s proud traditions are being eroded at a somewhat alarming rate and we should not be surprised at anything that happens.
Electoral fraud and misbehaviour was virtually unheard of in the UK until relatively recently. However there is no doubt that widespread abuse goes on, particularly in areas with high concentrations of Muslims. There have been a number of enquiries into suspicious behaviour but it took the private legal action of four of the electorate in Tower Hamlets to brink Mr Lutfur Rahman, the (illegally) “elected” mayor of that hapless borough, to book. The authorities had refused to take action against him following his last electoral “success” and the four had to risk considerable sums of their own cash to bring the action before the electoral court. There’s plenty of stuff available to show what transpired but the judge’s ruling makes breathtaking reading.
Of course this was misbehaviour by a candidate and should not be compared to government interference in a poll. But the UK’s proud traditions are being eroded at a somewhat alarming rate and we should not be surprised at anything that happens.
"....i remember the referendum in 70s in or out,to this day i do not know one person who claimed they voted in"
You do now, razza. To my eternal shame I voted to remain in 1975. But I was young, foolish and gullible then. I actually believed what I was told by politicians.
In the intervening 40 years I have learned to trust nobody, believe nothing and check everything I am told (at least as far as politicians and carpet salesmen go). That is why you will find quite a few (what I hope are sensible) rebuttals of some of the nonsense spouted by the Remainers here on AB. Now I don't know a soul who will be voting to remain but it seems at least half the country is thinking of doing so!
You do now, razza. To my eternal shame I voted to remain in 1975. But I was young, foolish and gullible then. I actually believed what I was told by politicians.
In the intervening 40 years I have learned to trust nobody, believe nothing and check everything I am told (at least as far as politicians and carpet salesmen go). That is why you will find quite a few (what I hope are sensible) rebuttals of some of the nonsense spouted by the Remainers here on AB. Now I don't know a soul who will be voting to remain but it seems at least half the country is thinking of doing so!
Yes Zacs, because despite its shortcomings our democratic process still gives me the opportunity to elect those who govern us. The EU affords no such luxury to its constituents (if indeed they are worthy of that title). I would rather live under the worst elected UK government imaginable (and I have from time to time!) than under a regime which makes its policies in secret, balancing the needs and requirements of 28 totally different nations and over which I have absolutely no control.
I know loads who voted 'in' razza, myself included. But then I was voting for a trade area with common standards and free passage of goods. (The other things that came with it did not register as dodgy, as I was young and enthusiastic to build bridges with nearby countries; and thought it was insane to export and import from half way across the globe when there were nearby producers and buyers.)
I may not have voted to join if asked, not that I was given a chance, but I sure wasn't, in those early heady days, going to insist we immediately came back out again. Give it a chance now we were there. And of course I thought that those against were simply spreading fear stories when they warned of it being more than a trade area, and that the elite in this group were wanting to take over control of all member states and make it one large block.
Well it turned out my distrust was mistaken. the EEC turned into the EU, we had individuals from the other member states claiming this closer integration was the whole plan all the time (not for us it wasn't) and so now I'm not so naive: I've years of actual experience to understand what being in the EU really means. What it stands for.
I've also analysed the 'remain' sides arguments against leaving and staying and found nothing that I can think of that "held any water". It's all horror projections that common sense tells you are incorrect, or trying to pick fault (and generally failing) with what the leave campaign has informed us of.
I've reigned in my youthful visions of paradise in Europe in order to accept the practical reality of appointed individuals wanting power, individuals who are happy to manipulate the rest of us with tales of wonderment, backed up with fear of having to be in control oneself, in order to get the influence they crave.
I may not have voted to join if asked, not that I was given a chance, but I sure wasn't, in those early heady days, going to insist we immediately came back out again. Give it a chance now we were there. And of course I thought that those against were simply spreading fear stories when they warned of it being more than a trade area, and that the elite in this group were wanting to take over control of all member states and make it one large block.
Well it turned out my distrust was mistaken. the EEC turned into the EU, we had individuals from the other member states claiming this closer integration was the whole plan all the time (not for us it wasn't) and so now I'm not so naive: I've years of actual experience to understand what being in the EU really means. What it stands for.
I've also analysed the 'remain' sides arguments against leaving and staying and found nothing that I can think of that "held any water". It's all horror projections that common sense tells you are incorrect, or trying to pick fault (and generally failing) with what the leave campaign has informed us of.
I've reigned in my youthful visions of paradise in Europe in order to accept the practical reality of appointed individuals wanting power, individuals who are happy to manipulate the rest of us with tales of wonderment, backed up with fear of having to be in control oneself, in order to get the influence they crave.
"So you don't trust politicians NJ but you want to give them back all the power which the EU currently has. Strange logic by you and all the Brexiters."
On the contrary. perfect logic.
Until one can have true democracy one is stuck with having politicians as ones' representatives to govern for us. But they must be accountable. The EU Commissioners are not, the lower house in Westminster is.
No politician is totally trusted as they decide things without asking us, but that is not presently avoidable. What is avoidable is having no ability to kick them out at the next election and hope the replacement is willing to do a better job.
It is also bringing the control back in the right direction, to a national level, where it should always have been. The UK acts as one country even though it is a close alliance of a number. It is one nation. It needs the ultimate control at that level, with subjects more suited to regions passed downwards to the councils or further. Never "passed up" somewhere for someone else to tell you what to do.
On the contrary. perfect logic.
Until one can have true democracy one is stuck with having politicians as ones' representatives to govern for us. But they must be accountable. The EU Commissioners are not, the lower house in Westminster is.
No politician is totally trusted as they decide things without asking us, but that is not presently avoidable. What is avoidable is having no ability to kick them out at the next election and hope the replacement is willing to do a better job.
It is also bringing the control back in the right direction, to a national level, where it should always have been. The UK acts as one country even though it is a close alliance of a number. It is one nation. It needs the ultimate control at that level, with subjects more suited to regions passed downwards to the councils or further. Never "passed up" somewhere for someone else to tell you what to do.
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