Can this savage religion ever be acceptible?

[R1Geezer]

http://tinyurl.com/38joavr
Then kill even their own relatives over some percieved "dishonour". Does anyone find this part particularly chilling?
"....However, it is claimed Gul Wazir and his wife thought the match was unsuitable for a number of reasons..."? Err what about their respective nephews/neices? did they consider that they might like a say in whether or to whom they are married? Barbarism pure and simple!

[naomi24]

Yep, just as I said. Never mind Keyplus. Perhaps one of these days someone will ask you a question that you're not too embarrassed to answer.

[birdie1971]

Hi Keyplus.

I find your response to my question a little strange. You state, “... you have twisted the subject to a totally different direction...”.

Have I? I don't think I have twisted the subject at all. You originally asked for scriptural evidence to support the notion that it's okay to kill your daughter for marrying some you didn't like. I admitted that I couldn't find an actual direct quote which stated this as a material fact. However, I then went on to explain why the idea of honour killings have become engrained within the fabric of Islamic society. I also clearly stated that scriptural interpretation plays a huge role in the formation of cultural morality.

I didn't twist or misrepresent anything at all. I presented a polite and reasonable reply to your question and you respond by claiming that my responses to questions about Islam are nothing more than (and I quote), “... RANTS about women being inferior, oppressed …”.

I actually thought for one glorious moment that you had become a reasonable person who had put petty and stupid insults behind him. I shall continue to wish that you approach future discussions in a more mature manner.

[keyplus90]

Here we are talking about GIRLS or WOMEN BEING KILLED ONLY FOR MARRYING SOMEONE PARENTS DO NOT LIKE. It’s your problem if you believe that a verse from Quran that TALKS ABOUT ADULTERY AND NOT MARRIAGE is behind that. As far as Muslims are concerned then these two scenarios have no link whatsoever. All the well known Scholars in Islam agree with the verse in case of second scenario (ADULTERY) but you will not find a single who would look at (HONOUR KILLING) in the light of your given verse. Because very simply there is no honour in killing your own children for something you do not agree with.

However if I agree with your ASSUMPTION then which Quran is influencing minds of HINDU, SIKH and even CHRISTIANS because no one can say that this malpractice is only among Muslims? As far as I know it is cultural issue, mainly in very remote areas or among people from remote areas even if they have now moved to the cities of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, African countries, Europe and USA or anywhere else.

If my disagreement with your opinions makes you believe that I am un-reasonable or insulting then that is naive thinking and nothing I can do to avert that.

[keyplus90]

Naomi – Perhaps one day I will see you not being embarrassed in accepting that someone has given you a reasonable and acceptable answer. Because so far in TWO and HALF years I have seen so many people saying that. And everyone on AB knows that you have this complex and some sort of guilt in your build that you spend so much time in this wrestling ring known as AB that you have in your mind MARKED it as your area. Fortunately many others just take it as opinion sharing website.

[naomi24]

Ha ha! Those damned western women eh? Why won't they know their place? Like Birdie, I also continue to hope you approach future discussions in a more mature manner than you have in the past. A futile hope, yes, experience tells me so, but never mind. I'm an optimist. ;o)

[keyplus90]

////Ha ha! Those damned western women eh? Why won't they know their place?////
Exactly as I thought. For few people admitting that others are better equipped is a matter of defeat, or destruction of self-esteem. Then what they do? They label themselves as representatives of a whole community just as ^^^^^. However I must say that fortunately all the Western women are not like that and many do not feel defeated in admitting that others have given a better response. I know that very well so do you, and that is the real sad bit.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, what on earth are you talking about?

[birdie1971]

Keyplus90 – And you accuse me of rants? Pot, kettle and black my friend.