Those rogue Afghans

[anotheoldgit]

http://tinyurl.com/397y2ue

This time a rogue Afghan soldier, a few months ago a rogue Afghan policeman, can anyone (who apparently we are out there to protect), be trusted?

When our forces happen to accidentally inflict harm on the Afghans, all hell breaks loose, inquiries swiftly organised, and our troops harshly criticised on sites such as this.

I wonder what the response will now be over this terrible slaughter, carried out by a member of a savage religion.

No use saying these are in the minority, and most Muslims are peace loving, if you where out in Afghanistan who would you really trust?

[another-view]

So we invaded his country, he shot one of us and is made out to be a bad guy???
He should be hailed as a hero by his countrymen.

If someone invaded Britain, I would harm them wherever and however I could.

[Zeuhl]

if only it was as simple as being out there to protect Afghans!

We have invaded the area and taken sides in a civil/tribal war.

It's hardly surprising that a proportion of the locals want to kill us.

And we have to be careful who we kill because the next 'minibus full of taliban' might actually turn out to be a bunch of civilians who are on our side going to a family wedding.

A horrible, thankless task for the troops.

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[anotheoldgit]

another-view

We do not want apologists like you in our country, if you were a true Brit. you would condemn this cowardly action, to dress up in a friendly Afghan uniform and then murder 3 and injuring 4 while they slept, can only be described as cowardly.

If they catch up with him they should turn him over to the Gurkhas and let them deal with him, perhaps the Gurkhas won't go so easy on him, as our own troops would.

[Zeuhl]

/// to dress up in a friendly Afghan uniform and then murder ///

I take it you are not a fan then of our own amazing special forces and reconnaissance units?

That's a shame, they are brave men who have frequently put themselves on the line in hazardous situations in Iraq, Northern Ireland, North Africa, Occupied Europe and The Far East.

[Zeuhl]

///We do not want apologists like you in our country///

Who 'we'?

Pompous little oik!
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[another-view]

So what would you do if an invading force decided to invade Britain? Sit back and say come on in? I have every sympathy with the troops. It's the politicians who I despise.

[Zeuhl]

If an enemy army invaded Britain, most of us would be out on the street putting up a fight;

aog would write a stern letter to The Daily Mail.
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[Seadragon]

Exactly Zehul I'm not part of this 'we' either. I think you're in a minority of one there Oldgit. Not tolerant of other people's views equals not being a 'true brit.'

These 'rogue' killings will esculate as troop withdrawals take place and the insurgents are not properly rooted out. In case you didn't notice that is what happens in war.

[jake-the-peg]

Just seen this on Al Jezeera

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See these "rogue " British soldiers?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7208273.stm

And these "Rogue" American ones?

http://en.wikipedia.o...i/Mahmudiyah_killings

I wonder what the response to these will be from those so called "Christian" countries who follow a God that tells them to "turn the other cheek"

We don't want them and their apologists in our country

el-oldgit

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Guess you get them everywhere eh?

[andy-hughes]

You are both consistant and persistant AOG - I will try to be the same ...

This is not 'our country' any more than Afghanistan is 'their country'.

Islam is not a 'savage' religion - something of a pot-and-kettle interface when you consider the murder and pillage carried out by Christian armies.

I wouldn't be out in Afghanistan as a soldier - i happen to think that killing people for a living is wrong, and I don't base my sense of trust on the uniform anyone happens to be wearing.

[sp1814]

Just read the link: http://en.wikipedia.o...i/Mahmudiyah_killings

Shocked.

Really, really shocked.

As shocked as I am about the story posted by AOG...but at least the Afghans have the excuse of being 'savages'...what was excuse put forward by the four US soldiers?

[anotheoldgit]

Oh it's the same people who try to turn around my posts all the time to suit their own anti-war, anti-British agenda. as well as our brave troops that they are not prepared to support.

These are the same troops that they may wish to call upon to protect their poor sad selves, if not in a war situation, but perhaps in a civil disturbance, or in a natural disaster or anything else that our armed forces can be called upon at any time to risk their own lives for others..

[another-view]

..or invade a country and complain when the natives decide to fight back.

[anotheoldgit]

/// If an enemy army invaded Britain, most of us would be out on the street putting up a fight;///

Yes but on what side? You do not support our troops now ,so why would you fight along side them in that situation.

You yourself would most likely be hiding out of harms way.

[squarebear]

I think they mean they would be fighting against the enemy that invaded us, as would I. The troops do a fantastic job. It's the higher authorities that tell them to invade.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Just seen this on Al Jezeera ///

Glad to see you use a good old reliable source of news to get your point over jake, then you have the cheek to criticise the Daily Mail, at least it is British.

But then you are against anything British, except you choose to live here.

[andy-hughes]

If your last post includes me, then i am delighted to be seen as 'anti-war' - who would not ne so?

As for 'anti-British', I am certainly not that.

I have never said that I do not suport 'our troops' - I do not condone the illegal invasion and occupation of any foreign country under the tenuous notion of 'protection' which is patently false, and doomed to failure.

The Americans learned two lessons from Viet Nam - the 'domino effect' of the spread of comunism was always an unsound argumenty, and history has proved it utterly without foundation, and even with hundreds of thousands of disposable lives, they ciould not win a war fought on the 'enemy's territory when all the indiginous population really wanted was a bowl of rice, a pair of shoes, and political independence.

Those are lessons that cost millions of lives - let's not idscriminate between which nation lost what - that is not the point. The point is, these lessons have been learned within the lifetimes of the last two governments of the UK and the USA, and been patently ignored, to continuing tragic cost.

The sooner we stop the empahsis on 'our brave boys and girls', and 'our heroes', and place it on the supposed outcome of this horrible futile conflict, the sooner we will be able to see that saving face for our governments is really less important than the ive of any one more person - soldier or civilian.

[sp1814]

AOG

Are you 'pro-war' then?

Pourquoi?

[sp1814]

"These are the same troops that they may wish to call upon to protect their poor sad selves, if not in a war situation, but perhaps in a civil disturbance, or in a natural disaster or anything else that our armed forces can be called upon at any time to risk their own lives for others.."

Yep - in the same way that we demand that the NHS treat us when we're ill, or the police arrest those that commit crimes or the fire service put out our fires.

It's because they are public servants, and their pay is from our pockets. They are then answerable to us.

We own them.

[Zeuhl]

zeuhl post ///That's a shame, they are brave men who have frequently put themselves on the line in hazardous situations in Iraq, Northern Ireland, North Africa, Occupied Europe and The Far East. ///

zeuhl post ///A horrible, thankless task for the troops. ///

aog post ///but on what side? You do not support our troops now ,so why would you fight along side them in that situation. ///

which parts of my posts show lack of support for our troops?

aog - You really are a very silly old man.

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