Not taken the Toffs long

[FREDFOX]

http://www.telegraph....and-overturn-ban.html

[FREDFOX]

redhelen When the farmer will not allow them on his land to hunt, who puts the word out at market ,who gives the nod, the local toffs.

My friend does not want them on his land but if he stops them he will not sell at market.
It happened in the past and will happen again.

[FREDFOX]

This still happens in England but on a much smaller scale since the ban came in .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtLEcInu9Us

[LoftyLottie]

Most of them come down from the towns anyway for 'jolly 'weekend parties. Very few countryfolk are in favour of hunting and the Countryside Alliance does not represent the views of the majority of country dwellers. There is no way I want the hunt back all round my house. I have always found them to be extremely arrogant and patronising.

[Zeuhl]

Good for you Lottie

When Mrs Zeuhl lived in the countryside she found a powerful hose of water was a good deterrent to protect her property and animals.

Not nice riding round all afternoon soaking wet! 'arf arf'
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[LoftyLottie]

And property and animals do need protection from them Zeuhl. They have no respect whatsoever for other people's welfare. They make me see red!!

[OrcadianOil]

You can tell when people get backed into a corner - they start trying to squirm and wheedle to get out of it. What's to stop anyone just taking the horses out for a canter around the countrside? Why do they need to do it in a very large group accompanied by a few dozen hounds and, if it doesn't end in blood letting, they all traipse back home deflated and disappointed?

Long live the ban!

[IggyB]

blood sports for all i say ... repeat the fox hunting ban provided they repeal the cock fighting, badger baiting and dog fighting bans while they're at it

[LoftyLottie]

Oh yes and the bear baiting and witch ducking and all those other traditional customs. Bring them all back. How very dare they make laws stop our fun!!

[birdie1971]

Before I answer this question I would just like to say that the video that was posted by Fredfox repulsed me in a way I find difficult to describe.

That being said, I'm not against the hunting ban as such. The problem, as I see it, is this: What's more effective and humane? - fox hunting (eg. with horses, dogs and the absurdly dressed); shooting them; laying traps and/or poison?


Unless I'm badly mistaken (which I admit I might be) there is a real problem in rural communities about the sustainability of livestock (be that sheep, chickens, etc.) and the fox population. That being the case, the argument is not about whether fox populations should be controlled but about the manner in which they are controlled.

I've never heard anyone give a convincing argument that setting traps, shooting or poisoning foxes is any more humane than chasing them with a pack of hounds. I don't want to see any animal suffer but if you're going to control the fox population then unfortunately some foxes will inevitably have to be killed.

I'd like to know from the anti-hunting people how they propose to control the rural fox population in a humane way, because on that matter we hear precious little.

[Buenchico]

The simple answer to the problems you mention, Birdie1971, is really good quality fencing. Those who promote fox hunting are usually happy to spend large amounts of money on stabling their horses, buying their hunting apparel and enjoying the social life associated with hunting. Yet they seem less prepared to pay for decent fencing, to protect their livestock, so that they can happily co-exist with Britain's wildlife.

Chris

[tinkerbell23]

Why scare the poor things and chase em around i say :0(

[birdie1971]

With the best will in the world you can erect a robust fence but at some point it will be compromised (eg. some animal will tunnel under it, or possibly gnaw their way through it, or maybe jump over it).

There comes a point where the landowner will exhaust every available economically viable security measure available. Should the landowner have the right to kill a fox that has managed to circumvent his fencing in order to prevent financial loss? I believe the landowner should have that right.

Does the Government allow farmers to own shotguns to protect their livelihood in exactly this kind of scenario? Yes they do.

Ergo it is legal to kill foxes in one particular way but not in another. Does that not strike you as odd?

[reefer]

The hunts have been breeding foxes for years by creating artificial earths and now they want to pretend they are pest controllers. Kate Hoey (Chairman of the Countryside Alliance) even said that foxes would become extinct if it weren't for the hunts

Kate has given you the answer

[I.Don No]

the only reason those chaps and chappesses ride on a horse is so they can look down on the rest of us.

[Kromovaracun]

Personally, I don't think disliking something is a very good reason to ban it...

[LoftyLottie]

But animal cruelty is. It is a cruel sport and has no part in the modern world. I have no problem with culling if necessary by humane means. Foxes are part of the countryside and help with the balance of nature. People in fancy dress on horseback coming out for a day's jolly to hunt down animals are totally out of place an