Do we need the National Association of Muslim Police and the National Black Police Association ?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph....r-terror-attacks.html

Isn't this proof that having different associations (ie NAMP, NBPA and others), in our police service just doesn't work, they only go towards increased diversity in the service.

[Teleph0ne]

Shame they banned it, the man was so funny

[123everton]

Things haven't changed that much, Catherine Tate can look at an Asian and say "bud bud bud", a West Indian and say "yeah man blah blah", a Chinese and make strange noises, David Walliams can black up put on a fat suit and say "hello baby", all of a sudden this is acceptable again as it's post ironic.
B o l l o c k s, the only difference between Bernard Manning and that humour is a university education.

[Teleph0ne]

Omid Djalli doesn't exactly hold back but thats ok because he is a minority!

[R1Geezer]

What's spike Milligan got to do with it?!

[123everton]

He's the Asian on the train.

[Gromit]

Goodness Gracious me,

Spike milligan was born in Ahmednagar, India.

[ELVIS68]

"We" do not need all these Associations, they do

[123everton]

Ooh well spotted Gromit, a very high coup!

[anotheoldgit]

/// More than 200 people were convicted of terrorist offences in the past eight years.///

I wonder how many of these belonged to the Muslim faith and how many belonged to the BNP?

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A couple of quotes from their organisation.

/// The organisation said Prevent should focus on confronting far-Right extremists such as the BNP.///

/// The Muslim officers believe the Government is wrong to blame Islam as the main driver of terrorist activity. ///

How can we fight terrorism, when a section of our law enforcement, deny that the real instigators, are those that carry out their evil deeds in the name of Islam?

[jake-the-peg]

Don't know but I bet a lot who committed terrorist offences on British soil in the preceding 20 years were Catholics!

We should have kicked all of them out then with their funny accents and fair skin!

[anotheoldgit]

Before they are allowed to have their own association, they should first be made to swear allegiance to the crown.

Also be prepared to swear that they are British Police Officers first, and Muslims last, and consequently they will carry out their duties according to the letter of the law.and not to the laws of Islam.

Nothing wrong in them following their religious duties in their own time, providing of course it is lawful.

[anotheoldgit]

/// while you are at it why not have a pop at the MOBO awards (Music of Black Origin) ///

Because it doesn't interfer with the law enforcement of the country, if you don't count all that white powder left lying around.

Besides the subject has been done to death, and it only makes that chip on sp1814's shoulder to wobble uncontrollable.

[123everton]

I think police officers are sworn in, the solution is the same as last time.
During the 60s you had the civil rights marches, which the Ulster constabulary brutally repressed, this was the progenitor for the Provisional I.R.A (a different organisation to the I.R.A), the reaction was draconian, more beatings, more detentions without trial, more hysteria, more discrimination, the result?
Things got worse, dialogue increased, discrimination out lawed, beatings stopped, the result?
A ceasefire, justice (of a sort) and peace.
What this organisation is describing is that the problem is about political ideology, unpopular foreign policy culminating in an unpopular war.
Muslim extremists get the numpties to scream foul (that's their intention), the numpties form organisations to make their enemy scream foul (that's their job) whilst everyone else in the middle tries to marginilise them with reason, debate and the evidence of history.

[Sweep2k]

Really interesting bit on Newswipe (BBC 4) about how the media follow established narratives. If there's a storyline that sells, they pick it up and continue with it.

In the US in the 1990s, terrorism was associated with the far-right and people like Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh, anti-government radical white extremists. That became the terrorism story as far as we and the media were concerned. It continued throughout the 90s - terrorism was to do with anti-government right-wing extremists.

Then came 9/11, and the narrative shifted to terrorism by Islamic fundamentalists. And the media sought out facts and figures to advance that story.

In 2005, right-wing extremist Joel Henry Hinrichs attempted a suicide bombing in Oklahoma. It wasn't reported internationally. He didn't fit the current media narrative so we pretty much ignored it. If he'd been Muslim, we'd have heard about it incessantly.

Some people absolutely gulp that stuff down.

[anotheoldgit]

Sweep2k

Did you fail to mention the 'London bombings', intentionally?

[Sweep2k]

It didn't need saying did it?

The turning point was 9/11 after which Islamic terrorism was reported and non-Islamic terrorism was. The London bombings was Islamic terrorism and was reported.

Are you sure you've understood properly?

[Sweep2k]

"and non-Islamic terrorism WASN'T"

[anotheoldgit]

Sweep2k
Yes I understand but why this should let off Muslims I do not know.

If other non-terrorists are found then they also should be hunted down.

But I don't think the NAMP would be calling for them not to be targeted.

This is the whole point of my question.

[Teleph0ne]

The IRA was a bit of a diferent story, they were fighting for indipendance of their country, they just happened to be catholic. there was violence between the catholics and protistents alike in northern ireland and both sides had terrorist groups. the bombings in this country by the IRA were not religeous.