dabees, i am a troll acording to knobrot, i can't see that there is an answer, he just keeps going no matter how you try to reason with him or ask him to jutify himself , you either agree with him or you are a troll , he then has a few followers who also join in , they then berate you all night long, you are either a troll ,a kiddy fiddler , a skiver who should get a job, etc ,ect, no amount of reasoning by you will result in a proper answer from any of them , then of course if you lose it a bit and give as good as you get, they start with the threats like ,you are dead , do not speak to my friend like that they are good guys and have seen me through some hard times,ect,ect, so you really can't win . perhaps if you just ignored them completly you could win as the only people who would reply to them are their own little clique , i do not reply to any of sbends posts now and i do not read them, that way i do not give him the chance to rabbit on at me as to how i am wrong and he is right , why don't you try it and do not rise to the bait? perhaps if more people did this they may get fed up and go away.