Connections 321 - Sat 27 April
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Benazir Bhutto
After the recent assassination of Benazir Bhutto, her supporters have vowed to "follow her to the grave" Free transport will therefore be laid on from Bradford, Bolton, Oldham, Birmingham and most London Boroughs
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Interesting as this may be, unfortunately large parts of these areas do not officially exist.
A few days ago the Bishop of Rochester, Bishop Nazir-Ali, suggested that large parts of towns such as those listed are virtual no-go areas for many when saying �.. the resurgence of Islamic extremism around the world was turning "already separate communities into 'no-go' areas" and that "hostility" in some parts was making it difficult for non-Muslims trying to live or work there.�
The Government�s (and indeed the opposition�s) reaction was swift and immediate:
Gordon Brown (Prime Minister): "I know that there are pressures in many areas of the country but I don't accept that there are or should be no-go areas in any part of the country,"
Hazel Blears (the �Communities Secretary� � whatever that might be) �I do not recognise any areas of this country that are as the Bishop describes.�
Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat leader) said the idea of no-go areas was "a gross caricature of reality",
And even William Hague (Shadow Foreign Secretary) told Sky News the bishop had "probably put it too strongly".
So there we are then! Sorted!
A few days ago the Bishop of Rochester, Bishop Nazir-Ali, suggested that large parts of towns such as those listed are virtual no-go areas for many when saying �.. the resurgence of Islamic extremism around the world was turning "already separate communities into 'no-go' areas" and that "hostility" in some parts was making it difficult for non-Muslims trying to live or work there.�
The Government�s (and indeed the opposition�s) reaction was swift and immediate:
Gordon Brown (Prime Minister): "I know that there are pressures in many areas of the country but I don't accept that there are or should be no-go areas in any part of the country,"
Hazel Blears (the �Communities Secretary� � whatever that might be) �I do not recognise any areas of this country that are as the Bishop describes.�
Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat leader) said the idea of no-go areas was "a gross caricature of reality",
And even William Hague (Shadow Foreign Secretary) told Sky News the bishop had "probably put it too strongly".
So there we are then! Sorted!
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Political leader might be ignoring the Bishop, because he is talking absolute cr@p. Contrary to your answer, the Bishop was unable to name one area which is 'no-go' for none muslims. I know Manchester, Oldham and Bradford very well and can state categorically that no such muslim only areas exist.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7173599.stm
Political leader might be ignoring the Bishop, because he is talking absolute cr@p. Contrary to your answer, the Bishop was unable to name one area which is 'no-go' for none muslims. I know Manchester, Oldham and Bradford very well and can state categorically that no such muslim only areas exist.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7173599.stm
You need to tell gromit, ecoman, not me!
I was merely quoting the politicians' reaction to the Good Bishop's observations.
True, I did add "So there we are then. Sorted!" at the end. I'll leave fellow AB-ers to determine whether I said that with conviction or with tongue in cheek.
I don't see any reason why the Bishop should have made these remarks had he not believed them and had he not had some basis on which to make them. This is especially so when you consider that he was born in Karachi into a largely Shi'a Muslim family. He also said he was echoing concerns voiced by Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality Commission. He is probably well placed to do so (certainly better placed than me or any of the politicians mentioned) as he has written extensively on the relationship between Christianity and Islam and has argued passionately for a greater understanding between the two religious communities.
It would be interesting to see how his qualifications on these matters compare with the politicians who, far from ignoring him, were unusually swift in their condemnation of his remarks. I also wonder when Hazel Blears or Gordon Brown (or indeed our friend gromit) last walked down a back alley in the Glodwick area of Oldham or the Manningham area of Bradford on their own on a dark night.
I was merely quoting the politicians' reaction to the Good Bishop's observations.
True, I did add "So there we are then. Sorted!" at the end. I'll leave fellow AB-ers to determine whether I said that with conviction or with tongue in cheek.
I don't see any reason why the Bishop should have made these remarks had he not believed them and had he not had some basis on which to make them. This is especially so when you consider that he was born in Karachi into a largely Shi'a Muslim family. He also said he was echoing concerns voiced by Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality Commission. He is probably well placed to do so (certainly better placed than me or any of the politicians mentioned) as he has written extensively on the relationship between Christianity and Islam and has argued passionately for a greater understanding between the two religious communities.
It would be interesting to see how his qualifications on these matters compare with the politicians who, far from ignoring him, were unusually swift in their condemnation of his remarks. I also wonder when Hazel Blears or Gordon Brown (or indeed our friend gromit) last walked down a back alley in the Glodwick area of Oldham or the Manningham area of Bradford on their own on a dark night.
Judge, no-one's saying that there aren't dangerous areas in Britain's cities. I wouldn't walk through a Longsight council estate in the dark either. But it's not because black residents have made it a no-go area for whites. It's because it's poverty-stricken and rife with crime.
I'm sure there are plenty of non-Muslims in and around Glodwick who regard the place as a no-go area. But that's because they've allowed themselves to succumb to their own prejudices or media-fuelled paranoia.
Much like you have.
I'm sure there are plenty of non-Muslims in and around Glodwick who regard the place as a no-go area. But that's because they've allowed themselves to succumb to their own prejudices or media-fuelled paranoia.
Much like you have.
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Trevor Phillips warned about segregation in our towns and cites. I totally agree with him.
However, segregation and no-go areas are completely different things.
The community where I live could be described as segregated. There is a large Bangladeshi community, living in a cluster of streets. Far from being a no-go area, it is probably the safest part of town.
There are plenty of places I wouldn't go late at night, but I have never felt threatened because I wasn't a muslim.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4270010.stm
Trevor Phillips warned about segregation in our towns and cites. I totally agree with him.
However, segregation and no-go areas are completely different things.
The community where I live could be described as segregated. There is a large Bangladeshi community, living in a cluster of streets. Far from being a no-go area, it is probably the safest part of town.
There are plenty of places I wouldn't go late at night, but I have never felt threatened because I wasn't a muslim.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4270010.stm
Time for the London contingency to speak up then in view of spaced's comments regarding half breeds ans as already stated regarded other areas....
There are places I would not like to be in at stupid o'clock in the morning because poverty and a rubbish lifestyle has made them this way. Plus drug dealers are using such areas as the little gold mine they are. This is the reason I would not feel safe walking around these areas, not because they are no go areas, I can't think of any no go areas in south east london. Including my old home town of peckham.
In the same vein, as a 5'6 female there are quite a few places in delightful surrey I would not feel too happy about being in on my home late at night because generally it's not a sensible thing to do. And the local estate I live near in surrey wouldn't be great to walk around alone at night either and I'm afraid that estate is largely dominated by white impoverished people.
I think it's all about having a grip and keeping hold of it rahter than buying in to the fear.
There are places I would not like to be in at stupid o'clock in the morning because poverty and a rubbish lifestyle has made them this way. Plus drug dealers are using such areas as the little gold mine they are. This is the reason I would not feel safe walking around these areas, not because they are no go areas, I can't think of any no go areas in south east london. Including my old home town of peckham.
In the same vein, as a 5'6 female there are quite a few places in delightful surrey I would not feel too happy about being in on my home late at night because generally it's not a sensible thing to do. And the local estate I live near in surrey wouldn't be great to walk around alone at night either and I'm afraid that estate is largely dominated by white impoverished people.
I think it's all about having a grip and keeping hold of it rahter than buying in to the fear.
Where I live in the Deptford/Greenwich/Surrey Quays area, there areno areas that I would consider 'no go' on the basis of race. We have quite high density black and Asian communities, but I have never fealt that I would be frowned upon for having the wrong colour skin.
I don't walk around some areas though drunk and with my Ipod in at night. Common sense indicates that the worst estates in the area are not the kind of place to be seen on your own after dark. But this is to do with the poverty and crime rather than race.
I don't walk around some areas though drunk and with my Ipod in at night. Common sense indicates that the worst estates in the area are not the kind of place to be seen on your own after dark. But this is to do with the poverty and crime rather than race.
I used to live in Oldham, and there ARE no go areas. The vet I used had to relocate from one area to another because his clients stopped going because of intimidation from Asians (young males) Most Asians do not keep pets, so this vet had no choice but to move. Hazel Blears is a liar. She knows that there are problems, but will not admit it. When in Salford, she lives in a very white, very affluent area.
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on the flip side, there are NO GO AREAS which are completely safe for white people, namely Carshalton and the St Helier Estate. A rough area but quite safe for us white folk. I lived there 3years, saw major problems, fights, arson etc etc but never ever had any problems myself. I actually felt safe for once.
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