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Gina - if you were to go along with Ruby27's thoughts on this matter, she actually belives that a white man calling a black man a black b4stard is racist, whereas calling a black man calling a white man a white b4stard is not.

See http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Current-Af fairs/Question416839-2.html

No, I don't get it either.

She'll then go on to tell you how people she meets socially and professionally agree with her.

She's then throw in the odd 'socioeconomiccentricdemograph' or other such rubbish to prove her point!
Christ Almighty.

Bernard Manning and his like could go around saying what he wanted for decades, and all you hear from his white fans is silence.

But lo and behold - if any black person retaliates in kind you're all up in arms.

Why is it that some people only see racism when it's directed at white people?

Poor hard done by white people.

Gimme a break.

thats just it sp, nothing is said if a black person calls a white person names but lo and behold if iots the other way
gina32

Apart from a couple of famous instances in the past 30 years (Jermaine Jackson calling Jade Goody's mother "white trash") can you please point me in the direction of these black racists who are making life hell for white people?

In the meantime, I'll look for instances where Asian families have been firebombed out of their homes, and Asian women have been attacked on the street (racists spitting in their faces etc), and Muslim women who have have their jahibs torn off their heads.

I will then dig out the press cuttings relating to black kids who have been murdered by white racist gangs.

Here's an analogy for you...there are a small number of men who are beaten by their wives. It's true that it happens, and it's as deplorable and indefensible as if it was a man beating a woman...but you have to understand that the traffic flows more one way than the other.

Actually - can you name me any black British comedian who could tell the following joke:

Q. What do you call fifty dead white men in a sunken ship?

A. A damn good start.

Now...this was one of BM's jokes...but it wasn't 'white men'. It was n*****s.

Please tell me which black comedian you could see telling that first joke.

my point exactly, white people dont make a fuss and just take it with a pinch of salt, black people dont
the only pinch of salt they have is for the chip on their shoulders!!
gina32

You're kidding me right?

Look at the amount of complaints you hear when white people perceive any racism against them.

Actually check through this thread.

You see what I mean?

White people think they're the new black people.

Makes me chuckle to hear middle class white people in good jobs with nice houses complain about how hard done by they are.

Boo hoo.

Pathetic really isn't it?
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Good grief sp1814 let it go, he was telling those jokes in the early '70's, things have changed (thankfully), you previously stated that you knew Jim Davidson and he refered to you as "that lankey w*g", two points
1) the word "W*G is a mneumonic for Western Oriental GENTLEMAN, note the word GENTLEMAN!!! hardly and insult eh?
2) why didnt you stand up to him instead of feeling all hurt and offended?
I, like 99.99999% of people in the UK can't stand racism in any form, but he had long since stopped telling jokes that could be seen as racist.
As an other aside, when I was at school in in the mid 70's I refused to read aloud a passage in a book which contained the word "ni**er" and was sent to see the Headmaster, when I explained my reasons (I just hate the word and found it offencive) I was made to do 2 weeks detention. My step mum had a field day with the leather belt on my backside
sp compareed to theother way round its very few, but anyway as johnlambert says,let it go, this is a subject people will never agree on
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johnlambert

Re: Jim Davidson - err...I was an eight year old child and he was about 24. Its not a situation where many kids are going to put up a challenge really!

Re: the jokes only being told in the 70s...are you sure about that? If I recall correctly, BM was telling them until the day he died...and that was last week.

Re: w*g. C'mon!!! Do you really think that when black people are referred to in this way, we think "Oh great. That person really respects me".

Seriously...I'll listen to any argument on the subject but that one just doesn't float, now really, does it?

Re: your refusal to use the N word. Good for you. I know listerally dozens of white people who feel the same as you. This is why they're my mates.

10ClarionSt

What you wrote is almost word for word what's still going on in South London (Kidbrooke, Eltham and Bermondsey spring to mind).

Now, think about how angry that makes you and multiply it by 30 years, and on top of that imagine what it's like to have someone like a black version of Bernard Manning/Jim Davidson and Stan Boardman make 'jokes' about it.

Do what I did - get a bl**dy well paid job and take your car to their car washes and watch them work for you.

Does the soul good...it really does.

Anyway - this train has now come to it's final stop.

I feel the need to get my alloys cleaned...thoroughly.
w*g certainly doesn't stand for wily Oriental gentleman, and not the slightest respect is intended.

www.billcasselman.com/wording_room/***_one.htm
well, the last link was correct but you'll have to fill in the three-letter word where the asterisks appear
Jeeeessssssussss,

This is getting boring now. BM told jokes.... he was a comedian, no need to take offence. If i got the hump every time i heard an irish joke, i might as well stay in bed all day.

This country is becoming too PC. We all have the same rights, it doesn't mean that we cannot have a laugh along the way.

SP1814.... chill out. your comments about the "car wash" may or may not offend certain individuals (not me personally)...... this is no different to BM making comments / telling one liners about other nationalities. He did also tell a lot of english jokes about scousers, jocks, geordies etc etc.

finally an Irish Joke.........

Ireland suffered it's worst aviation disaster in history yesterday when a two seater light aircraft crashed into a cemetary. Rescue services worked through the night and so far have recovered 822 bodies.

Brendan
well said about the car wash!
gina32

Eh???

Can you explain?

I'm really curious.

Are you saying that I shouldn't feel deep happiness by taking my car to be cleaned by the lads I knew as racists down my old way?

I don't get it...perhaps I have my 'thick head' on today.

Are you saying that I should in some way feel shame at laughing at these lads because despite their racism in the 80s, I've worked hard and done better than them???

Please tell me I've misunderstood, because if I haven't I'm...I'm...what's the word - flabberghasted!!!
Bl!mey - dear old Bernard would be loving all this attention, bless him!

No holds barred

In Michael Winner's excellent review of Bernard Manning's lifestyle, he mentioned a Lenny Henry joke, in which he 'threatened' his audience, that if they didn't laugh at his jokes, he would go & live next door to them.

That joke was included in the hilariously funny repertoire of the late black comedian Charlie Williams, a former soccer player with Doncaster Rovers, way back in the fifties.

Charlie also 'threatened' his audience, that if they didn't behave, he would summon all his relatives from the 'African Jungle'.

He was the complete antithesis to the trend on banning jokes, which could in any way be considered racist & like Bernard Manning, his skill at making people laugh at 'real' humour, will never be surpassed.

R. Bramwell
South Shields, Tyne & Wear.

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