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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
may he rest in peace
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
may he rest in peace
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anotheoldgit
Incidentally, I absolutely guarantee that a 19 year old girl (as my mum was then) with a toddler, isn't in the position to gang up on a family whose name I still remember, and be abusive to them.
It's just not possible...honest.
I always hated the fact that she didn't fight back, but as an adult, I know that she was on her own (dad did a runner) and was in no position to put me, and latterly my kid sister, in danger.
She was right to contain her anger. God only knows what would've happened if we hadn't got a relocation by the council.
Incidentally, I absolutely guarantee that a 19 year old girl (as my mum was then) with a toddler, isn't in the position to gang up on a family whose name I still remember, and be abusive to them.
It's just not possible...honest.
I always hated the fact that she didn't fight back, but as an adult, I know that she was on her own (dad did a runner) and was in no position to put me, and latterly my kid sister, in danger.
She was right to contain her anger. God only knows what would've happened if we hadn't got a relocation by the council.
Incidentally, from what I've heard, Bernard Manning was an exceptionally kind man who gave a lot of money to charity, some of it to charities in developing countries.
But he was still an avowed racist who, unlike most comedians of his generation, hung onto his racist beliefs to the bitter end. The comments he made on the Mrs Merton Show proved that - for him at least - his stand-up act wasn't just said as joke.
He has said publicly that he supported Enoch Powell. He has said he believed in the the majority of what Hitler stood for. And that a black man, even one born in Britain, could never be British.
That is racism in its clearest form.
And I'm not going to mourn his passing just because he was a friendly guy or because he made a joke about your brillo pad and your friends laughed.
The world needs less racists, not more.
But he was still an avowed racist who, unlike most comedians of his generation, hung onto his racist beliefs to the bitter end. The comments he made on the Mrs Merton Show proved that - for him at least - his stand-up act wasn't just said as joke.
He has said publicly that he supported Enoch Powell. He has said he believed in the the majority of what Hitler stood for. And that a black man, even one born in Britain, could never be British.
That is racism in its clearest form.
And I'm not going to mourn his passing just because he was a friendly guy or because he made a joke about your brillo pad and your friends laughed.
The world needs less racists, not more.
smudge
You know what?
My generation gave the world alternative comedy. Alternative comedy was far richer than anyhting that went before it, because in the 70s, all it was, was "An Irishman goes into a pub...blah blah blah".
Can you imagine how stagnant it would be if we didn't get rid of the working clubs comedians of the 70s?
Blimey - no French & Saunders, no Young Ones, no New Statesmen, no Blackadder, no Not The Nine O'Clock News...
The thing that people who laugh at simple humour forget, is that everyone else just got that little bit cleverer and demanded more than mother-in-law jokes...
But saying that...Les Dawson is still one of the funniest men who ever walked the planet.
He was kind of like a lovely version of Bernard Manning. You know you could go to one of his shows without being singled out and abused.
God rest his soul.
You know what?
My generation gave the world alternative comedy. Alternative comedy was far richer than anyhting that went before it, because in the 70s, all it was, was "An Irishman goes into a pub...blah blah blah".
Can you imagine how stagnant it would be if we didn't get rid of the working clubs comedians of the 70s?
Blimey - no French & Saunders, no Young Ones, no New Statesmen, no Blackadder, no Not The Nine O'Clock News...
The thing that people who laugh at simple humour forget, is that everyone else just got that little bit cleverer and demanded more than mother-in-law jokes...
But saying that...Les Dawson is still one of the funniest men who ever walked the planet.
He was kind of like a lovely version of Bernard Manning. You know you could go to one of his shows without being singled out and abused.
God rest his soul.
sp1814
I remember the look in her eyes whenever people like him were on The Comedians.
Why oh why did she bother to watch the Comedians then?
Blimey - no French & Saunders, no Young Ones, no New Statesmen, no Blackadder, no Not The Nine O'Clock News...
All a load of rubbish, but then that is my opinion, like I've said comedy is matter of individual choice. Covering Noddy who was censored for being too friendly with Big Ears, Morecambe & Wise for sleeping together, and even in repeats of Porridge the BBC in their wisdom censored out the part of one episode where Fletcher criticised Christopher Biggin's character (who was a little camp) for keeping his cell too clean, remarking ' they all tend to be like that '
This is what it comedy and life has now become, totally wall to wall PC. these days.
I remember the look in her eyes whenever people like him were on The Comedians.
Why oh why did she bother to watch the Comedians then?
Blimey - no French & Saunders, no Young Ones, no New Statesmen, no Blackadder, no Not The Nine O'Clock News...
All a load of rubbish, but then that is my opinion, like I've said comedy is matter of individual choice. Covering Noddy who was censored for being too friendly with Big Ears, Morecambe & Wise for sleeping together, and even in repeats of Porridge the BBC in their wisdom censored out the part of one episode where Fletcher criticised Christopher Biggin's character (who was a little camp) for keeping his cell too clean, remarking ' they all tend to be like that '
This is what it comedy and life has now become, totally wall to wall PC. these days.
anotheoldgit
There are no popular PC comedies on television.
I don't know if you've ever seen Extras or The Office, but these are brilliant examples of non-PC comedies which seel by the bucket-load on DVD. Hugely popular and definitely not PC.
Also, look at Little Britain...you couldn't call that PC, now could you?
In fact, ever single successful comedy I can think of nowadays from American's Family Guy, American Dad and Curb Your Enthusiasm, to our own Nighty Night and Peep Show are fundamentally un-PC.
You cannot have PC comedy...it just doesn't work. However, you can be un-PC and funny, as long as the jokes are told with genuine wit and intelligence and they don't rely on the same old stereotypes.
I urge you to watch Nighty Night, which features a lead female character who lies to her neighbours, telling them that her husband has died of cancer, where in fact he's survived. Her reason is that she wants to shack up with her (wheelchair-bound) neighbour's husband...and does so by breaking up their marriage.
Beautifully un-PC, but at no point does it overstep the mark and become insulting to its audience.
There are no popular PC comedies on television.
I don't know if you've ever seen Extras or The Office, but these are brilliant examples of non-PC comedies which seel by the bucket-load on DVD. Hugely popular and definitely not PC.
Also, look at Little Britain...you couldn't call that PC, now could you?
In fact, ever single successful comedy I can think of nowadays from American's Family Guy, American Dad and Curb Your Enthusiasm, to our own Nighty Night and Peep Show are fundamentally un-PC.
You cannot have PC comedy...it just doesn't work. However, you can be un-PC and funny, as long as the jokes are told with genuine wit and intelligence and they don't rely on the same old stereotypes.
I urge you to watch Nighty Night, which features a lead female character who lies to her neighbours, telling them that her husband has died of cancer, where in fact he's survived. Her reason is that she wants to shack up with her (wheelchair-bound) neighbour's husband...and does so by breaking up their marriage.
Beautifully un-PC, but at no point does it overstep the mark and become insulting to its audience.
Blimey
Not a lot of middle ground on this subject but if the choice were between having a sense of humour and being racist I would go with not having a sense of humour any time. Fortunately there are as already pointed out here many people who can be extremely funny just a little more sophisticated and intellectually challenging than the BM and JD style, so I can enjoy others as well as my own humour with out it being at the expense of someone else
sp1814 I admire your tenacity and energy, I think if I was in your situation I would give up and think well if those people want to be narrow minded and bigoted then let them.
The attitude of many here makes me cringe, I just console myself its not as bad as it was, at least racism is publically viewed as harmful and undersirable even if it is still alive and well in private.
Not a lot of middle ground on this subject but if the choice were between having a sense of humour and being racist I would go with not having a sense of humour any time. Fortunately there are as already pointed out here many people who can be extremely funny just a little more sophisticated and intellectually challenging than the BM and JD style, so I can enjoy others as well as my own humour with out it being at the expense of someone else
sp1814 I admire your tenacity and energy, I think if I was in your situation I would give up and think well if those people want to be narrow minded and bigoted then let them.
The attitude of many here makes me cringe, I just console myself its not as bad as it was, at least racism is publically viewed as harmful and undersirable even if it is still alive and well in private.
Errr...I for to put a in my previous post making it look like I was shouting. Typographical error.
Pippa68 - I'm glad I'm not the only one. Nighty Night is genius and features a woman suffering from Multiple Sclerosis. She is show as the victim, but she isn't victimised. At no point does the writer, Julia Hills, go for the cheap laugh.
It's fantastic that the Stan Boardmans, Jim Davidsons and Bernard Mannings have been replaced by the Julia Hills, Peter Kays and Ricky Gervais'. Long may they reign.
Pippa68 - I'm glad I'm not the only one. Nighty Night is genius and features a woman suffering from Multiple Sclerosis. She is show as the victim, but she isn't victimised. At no point does the writer, Julia Hills, go for the cheap laugh.
It's fantastic that the Stan Boardmans, Jim Davidsons and Bernard Mannings have been replaced by the Julia Hills, Peter Kays and Ricky Gervais'. Long may they reign.
I would hate to be thought of as having no sense of humour but when some of these jokes are blatantly racist I don't find it in the least bit funny .Neither would I find being singled out for someone elses warped sense of humour funny.
But of course as the old saying goes... laugh and the world laughs with you ,cry and you cry alone .
When my husband first came to work in this country in the early 1970's he was subjected on a daily basis,in an office ,amongst grown men to racial taunts . After being saluted most days with Sieg Heil and called an effing Kraut to his face it wears a bit thin after a while . He was made to feel that he alone was responsible for second world war Luckily he has a thick skin.and would never have lowered himself to retaliate .But it is hurtful .I can see where sp1814 is coming from.
I am shocked at the racial bigotry in this thread and the people who think it OK to take the pee out of people of a different race or colour as Mr Manning did. In fact this is what he built his reputation on .
Any death is sad and his family must have loved him but in my opinion he made a lot of money out of being a bigot and a racist and tried to assuage his social concience perhaps by giving to charity. Double standards .People like him stir up other peoples bigotry and racial hatred.People may have laughed along with him but the few times I have ever caught him performing on television he just made me feel uncomfortable .
But of course as the old saying goes... laugh and the world laughs with you ,cry and you cry alone .
When my husband first came to work in this country in the early 1970's he was subjected on a daily basis,in an office ,amongst grown men to racial taunts . After being saluted most days with Sieg Heil and called an effing Kraut to his face it wears a bit thin after a while . He was made to feel that he alone was responsible for second world war Luckily he has a thick skin.and would never have lowered himself to retaliate .But it is hurtful .I can see where sp1814 is coming from.
I am shocked at the racial bigotry in this thread and the people who think it OK to take the pee out of people of a different race or colour as Mr Manning did. In fact this is what he built his reputation on .
Any death is sad and his family must have loved him but in my opinion he made a lot of money out of being a bigot and a racist and tried to assuage his social concience perhaps by giving to charity. Double standards .People like him stir up other peoples bigotry and racial hatred.People may have laughed along with him but the few times I have ever caught him performing on television he just made me feel uncomfortable .
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sp.
Some wonderful commedians replacing the ones you detest from the 70s. Peter Kays and the one from Little Britain sat in wheelchairs singing 'I could walk five hundred miles'. Tasteless and unfunny. As others have said choices are subjective. I happen to think that tv comedy is at one of its' lowest ebbs since I began watching in the 60s and no, I'm not an admirer of Bernard Manning or Jim Davidson.
Some wonderful commedians replacing the ones you detest from the 70s. Peter Kays and the one from Little Britain sat in wheelchairs singing 'I could walk five hundred miles'. Tasteless and unfunny. As others have said choices are subjective. I happen to think that tv comedy is at one of its' lowest ebbs since I began watching in the 60s and no, I'm not an admirer of Bernard Manning or Jim Davidson.
If anyone is shallow enough to think that every single joke which came out of Bernard Manning's mouth was racist - they are very wrong!
Not only would it have made the man a very boring person indeed - it would also have made the people listening & laughing along with him just as bad.
I for one am not a bigot, or a racist & if the 'odd' one or two think otherwise - you know nothing!
Yours ever,
Smudge
Granddaughter of an Irish lady
Daughter-in-law of a Jewish man.
Have a lovely day - I will.
Not only would it have made the man a very boring person indeed - it would also have made the people listening & laughing along with him just as bad.
I for one am not a bigot, or a racist & if the 'odd' one or two think otherwise - you know nothing!
Yours ever,
Smudge
Granddaughter of an Irish lady
Daughter-in-law of a Jewish man.
Have a lovely day - I will.
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