What?

[royfromaus]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10344567/Door-door-Covid-jab-teams-sent-homes-five-million-unvaccinated-Britons.html

[royfromaus]

sticky has been arguing that proportionally the unvaxxed are taking up more beds than the vaxxed, Dagman.

He has been arguing that the unvaxxed have taken up the vast majority of beds full stop

[royfromaus]

sticky hasn't been*

[Dagman]

Would be clearer if the figures showed two groups... % of vaccinated deaths and separately % of unvaccinated deaths without mixing them together. It isn't rocket science.

[Dagman]

Percentagewise they probably are! Lets say 1000 people are vaccinated, 100 aren't.. Of the 1000, 80 are in hosp, of the 100, 20 are in hosp. So 20% of the beds are unvaccinated..but... Looking at the bigger picture it means 8% are vaccinated, 20% are unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are using up beds unnecessarily. Can't make it any clearer.

[bobbinwales]

I gave up on that dagan. Roy just can't see it or swerve's the point . His link sclaiming to show slightly more unvaxxed than vaxxed was flawed to for several reasons eg it was all those in icu just not those in with covid as main issue... and it was before boosters. Most reports seem to claim its 80% or so of seriously ill was unvaxxed. Roy thinks its deliberate lies. But even if its 55% it still means the 10-15% are taking up far far more than there fair share.

[royfromaus]

eg it was all those in icu just not those in with covid as main issue...
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Aye, that's why it said...

Vaccines and ICU
Adult admissions to intensive care with Covid-19 in England, Wales and Northern Ireland in 2021, by vaccine status, percent

[Peter Pedant]

er
However there are signs that unvaccinated people are the majority in intensive care.

from

https://fullfact.org/health/dr-hilary-lorraine-kelly-90-percent/

that is what we are ALL saying innit

[Dagman]

I've had to explain this to friends and when the penny dropped in each case they can't believe how daft they've been in not seeing it properly. Even the pretend example I've done above, it means 12 extra beds are being taken up by unvaccinated.

[Dagman]

Yes peter, even that is a huge amount of unvaccinated in hosp.

[Peter Pedant]

a few key strokes ( I can see why woy was acting all constipated)

Between 14 July and 2 September 2021, 203 patients with Covid-19 were admitted to intensive care units (ICU) across north east London (NEL). Of these, 90% (181) were not fully vaccinated, with most tending to be on average six years younger than patients admitted to ICU who are fully vaccinated.

Yeah woy virtually no one was unvaccinated !
keep up the disinformation !

[Peter Pedant]

Me? ex porton doen - - I dont need no bidding to take my trousers down and proffer my bum ( either buttock ) to a nurse holding a syringe

[Mamyalynne]

Peter

His name is Roy.

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[royfromaus]

Manipulation, Peter.

There are signs?

So they are not saying it is fact.


From your source, Peter
50.7 % of admission in November into ICU's were double vaxxed

[bobbinwales]

No roy I don't think that means they were brought in for icu covid treatment...they could of been in for other things but were found to have covid.

But its a selected period to suit roy... and it still shows the opposite of what roy wants to say.
What is your point roy apart from your point that bbc and doctors and some here are lying...are you denying an unvaxxed is far more at risk of serious illness than a vaxxed one?

[royfromaus]

But its a selected period to suit roy.
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No, it the latest figures available. (or at least that I have seen)
Let's wait and see what the December numbers are. You may be able to celebrate this 90% figure.
But as yet I have not seen or been provided with an official figure...up to know it is just what some bloke told the Guardian.

[bobbinwales]

Are you okay roy. I never said it were 90% and would doubting wouldbe that much....but why would anyone celebrate... your views on this ate weird. .. you still haven't said what your point is regarding usefulness or not of vaccines. Your just floundering around as far as I can see with just spicerack following your logic

[Spicerack]

Don't tell them to look at the 'official' figures for December, roy.
It was during November they switched from reporting the actual figures (that consistently showed more vaccinated than unvaccinated dying/ being admitted to hospital) to 'age adjusted' figures that showed the opposite.
Not all the posters who are condemning the unvaccinated are complete morons. They could easily find out if the data being used now is 'age adjusted'. In fact I suspect a couple of them have already checked (just to say I'm mistaken) and found that I'm not.
Found that the Gov. is indeed using falsified data to push an agenda.
However, they would rather maintain the lie than admit they've been taken in.
As Mark Twain may have said, 'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'.

[bobbinwales]

More twaddle from tweedledum and tweedledee

[bobbinwales]

//Found that the Gov. is indeed using falsified data to push an agenda.//
Are you gonna tell us what this agenda is.

can you answer the question spicerack or roy ... do you accept or deny that your figures or others that on average an unvaxxed is more likely to be seriously ill with covid than a vaxxed person???