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[dannyk13]

ZM.
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What is the transition period?

The United Kingdom and the European Union have negotiated a withdrawal agreement which provides the details of how the UK will exit the EU in March 2019. Part of that agreement is the transition period.

When the UK leaves the EU in March 2019 the plan is that the transition period will apply until the end of December 2020 at least. This could be extended until as late as December 2022, should both sides agree. Without a withdrawal agreement in place there will be no transition period and a so-called “no-deal” Brexit will take place. (What would a no-deal Brexit mean for Ireland? - read here).

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During the transition period a kind of standstill would be in place where current trading arrangements between the EU and UK would continue. The idea is to give time for a new deal on the future relationship between the EU and UK to be worked out after the UK leaves

[dannyk13]

Zm Ignore everything except the last parargraph.

[ichkeria]

By “deal” I mean “with the EU”. That’s the only deal. Getting it through Parliament is different

[Zacs-Master]

Where’s that from because it’s misleading if not a downright lie.

[dannyk13]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/brexit-explained-what-is-the-transition-period-and-why-is-it-so-important-1.3671622

[ichkeria]

Seems fair enough to me Zacs: that is the whole point of a transition. To ease the shock of leaving. It’s about the only good thing about this deal other than the avoidance of the hard border in Ireland risk.
But deal or no deal trade negotiations were always going to take place

[Zacs-Master]

Danny, it clearly states in the article that without the withdrawal agreement bill, there will be no transition period therefore nothing is a greed regarding ‘negotiations’

You might want to read this:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/brexit/the-eu/withdrawal-agreement-bill-implementing-the-transition-period/

[Old_Geezer]

The surrender act was not inevitable. We didn't have to be a part of EU internal chat. We just needed to go at the agreed deadline. In fact the surrender act was an attempt to persuade the EU decision making.

[Zacs-Master]

I think you should read my link too, OG.

[dannyk13]

//, it clearly states in the article that without the withdrawal agreement bill,//
And after the withdrawal agreement bill is passed?

[Zacs-Master]

Lots of options for the Govt to either agree to negotiate or not. But those negotiations aren’t with the EU. They’re with individual member nations.

[ichkeria]

Another thing the transition process does is give us time to sort out our security relationship with the EU or at least salvage as much as we can. The default position now is that we are outside all these things rather than in or partially in. Which means that if trade negotiations etc stop without agreement we are effectively set for a belated version of No Deal. This issue will be one more apparent the longer time is given for the deal to be debated in parliament

[davebro]

I think the Brexit Party input will depend upon finances. They (Farage) are dead against Boris' deal so will have no qualms about standing against Tories. Just depends if they can afford to field so many candidates. If not they will target primarily Leave voting constituencies - first Labour then Tory.

[dannyk13]

ZM //. They’re with individual member nations.//
The EU does not permit this, so the negotiations would have toi be with the EU.

[ichkeria]

No they aren’t Zacs. Individual EU counties cannot negotiate trade deals as we all surely know by now :-)

[ToraToraTora]

pedantic? ZM? nooooo! PMSL, get some nails and jelly me old china!

[Zacs-Master]

There’s no nails and no jelly. Without the WAB there will be no negotiations. I was referring to the transition period after Brexit is completed regarding negotiations with member states.

[Old_Geezer]

No need to look at links. There was no need to pass letters to the EU at all. The default arrangement was already in existence.

[Jackdaw33]

I'm puzzled as to why there is a dispute about the proposed date when they are only 3 days apart.

[ichkeria]

What’s the WAB btw?The UK cannot do trade deals with EU counties individually. Not now, not after Brexit.
That Irish Tines article is very out of date. The detail in it refers to the position after the May Deal not the Johnson one. Which as I said earlier has sort of flipped because whereas with May we were in until we negotiated a way out, with this one we’re out until we negotiate a way back in.
The backstop in other words has been replaced by w sort of frontstop.
However the principal is still the same: it’s a period for negotiation.