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We know you have a gun, Naomi, you keep telling us, but do you carry it with you when it's not needed for legit reasons?
I am sure Naomi doesn't as I don't either. Our guns are kept secure in our property. The perpetrator was also in his own property/address.
On a point of order my firearms are licensed for target shooting and not killing.I am also told when I am carrying them how they are to be carried and the destination that they must be taken to.
I am sure Naomi doesn't as I don't either. Our guns are kept secure in our property. The perpetrator was also in his own property/address.
On a point of order my firearms are licensed for target shooting and not killing.I am also told when I am carrying them how they are to be carried and the destination that they must be taken to.
retrocop - // On a point of order my firearms are licensed for target shooting and not killing. //
Cars are licensed for driving, but it doesn't stop people killing people with them - the original point of something is not really the issue here I feel.
Although, since the purpose of guns is to kill people, perhaps it is.
Cars are licensed for driving, but it doesn't stop people killing people with them - the original point of something is not really the issue here I feel.
Although, since the purpose of guns is to kill people, perhaps it is.
When it comes to mass killings, the effort involved in one person killing 20 people with a cricket bat is significantly less than one person killing 20 people with an automatic weapon.
Let's not quibble over the purpose of the gun; let's restrict ourselves to guns that fire lots of bullets in a short space of time, as they're the real problem with these mass shootings. They were certainly invented to kill people in warfare. From Wikipedia:
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The first successful rapid-fire firearm is the Gatling Gun, invented by Richard Gatling and fielded by the Union forces during the American Civil War in the 1860s.
The world's first sub-machine gun (a fully automatic firearm which fires pistol cartridges) able to be maneuvered by a single soldier is the MP18.1, invented by Theodor Bergmann. It was introduced into service in 1918 by the German Army during World War I as the primary weapon of the Stosstruppen (assault groups specialized in trench combat).
The first assault rifle was introduced during World War II by the Germans, known as the StG44. It was the first firearm which bridges the gap between long range rifles, machine guns, and short range sub-machine guns.
Let's not quibble over the purpose of the gun; let's restrict ourselves to guns that fire lots of bullets in a short space of time, as they're the real problem with these mass shootings. They were certainly invented to kill people in warfare. From Wikipedia:
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The first successful rapid-fire firearm is the Gatling Gun, invented by Richard Gatling and fielded by the Union forces during the American Civil War in the 1860s.
The world's first sub-machine gun (a fully automatic firearm which fires pistol cartridges) able to be maneuvered by a single soldier is the MP18.1, invented by Theodor Bergmann. It was introduced into service in 1918 by the German Army during World War I as the primary weapon of the Stosstruppen (assault groups specialized in trench combat).
The first assault rifle was introduced during World War II by the Germans, known as the StG44. It was the first firearm which bridges the gap between long range rifles, machine guns, and short range sub-machine guns.
retrocop - // I recall HRH price Phillips comment when government restricted certain types of shotguns and specific Sec 1 firearms post Hungerford..
'Bloody stupid idea. People can be battered to death with a cricket bat and they don't ban them humph' //
Then His Royal Highness is similarly missing the point - the purpose of cricket bats is to play cricket, the purpose of guns is to shoot people.
'Bloody stupid idea. People can be battered to death with a cricket bat and they don't ban them humph' //
Then His Royal Highness is similarly missing the point - the purpose of cricket bats is to play cricket, the purpose of guns is to shoot people.
naomi - // AH at 15:09, to shoot.
Why do you keep saying the purpose of a gun is to shoot 'people'? You've done it again at 15.10. That isn't its purpose. //
If you don't believe that the purpose of a gun is to shoot people - and I am talking the basic premise of a gun's design and deployment here - then what do you believe it to be?
Saying it is 'to shoot' is not an answer
Yes guns are designed to shoot - at people - that is what they are designed to do.
Cars are designed to carry passengers on the road.
People race them on race tracks, but the fundamental design and purpose of a car is to carry people on roads.
Guns are designed to shoot people.
People use them to shoot animals, birds, targets, but the fundamental design and purpose of a gun is to shoot people.
Why do you keep saying the purpose of a gun is to shoot 'people'? You've done it again at 15.10. That isn't its purpose. //
If you don't believe that the purpose of a gun is to shoot people - and I am talking the basic premise of a gun's design and deployment here - then what do you believe it to be?
Saying it is 'to shoot' is not an answer
Yes guns are designed to shoot - at people - that is what they are designed to do.
Cars are designed to carry passengers on the road.
People race them on race tracks, but the fundamental design and purpose of a car is to carry people on roads.
Guns are designed to shoot people.
People use them to shoot animals, birds, targets, but the fundamental design and purpose of a gun is to shoot people.
AH, //Yes guns are designed to shoot - at people - that is what they are designed to do. //
This is ridiculous. Guns are designed to be fired at targets. Of the many millions of privately owned guns in the world - and that includes the millions in the USA - very few have been used to shoot at a human being. Guns don't kill people - people kill people.
This is ridiculous. Guns are designed to be fired at targets. Of the many millions of privately owned guns in the world - and that includes the millions in the USA - very few have been used to shoot at a human being. Guns don't kill people - people kill people.
AOG - // AH
/// but the fundamental design and purpose of a gun is to shoot people. ///
Wrong yet again, a Shot Gun isn't designed to shoot people neither is an Air Gun. //
Perhaps I have failed to make my point clear.
I am talking the basic premise for a gun - not specific guns designed for specific purposes.
If you honestly and objectively look at the history of the gun, its design, and the purpose for which it has been created and used most since its creation, you will not come up with target shooting, or clay pigeon shooting, or even game shooting.
You will find that guns have been originated, designed, refined and developed, in order to shoot people.
I fail to see what such a statement cannot be accepted, and why naomi and yourself are going to continue to argue against it.
/// but the fundamental design and purpose of a gun is to shoot people. ///
Wrong yet again, a Shot Gun isn't designed to shoot people neither is an Air Gun. //
Perhaps I have failed to make my point clear.
I am talking the basic premise for a gun - not specific guns designed for specific purposes.
If you honestly and objectively look at the history of the gun, its design, and the purpose for which it has been created and used most since its creation, you will not come up with target shooting, or clay pigeon shooting, or even game shooting.
You will find that guns have been originated, designed, refined and developed, in order to shoot people.
I fail to see what such a statement cannot be accepted, and why naomi and yourself are going to continue to argue against it.
Naomi - // This is ridiculous. Guns are designed to be fired at targets. //
Look at any soldier in any army in any country in the world, since the gun has been in existence.
Yes, he or she will have been taught to use their gun by shooting at targets, but are you seriously telling me that they are advised that this is all they are ever going to shoot at?
Take a rough guess at the number of guns every army in the world has used in combat, and then deduct the amount of target shooting used in training, and I think, by any stretch of the imagination, you will find that the majority of guns have been deployed to shoot human beings, because that is why soldiers are given guns, because that is what guns are designed to do.
Guns are designed to shoot people - I cannot understand why you will not simply accept that for the fact it is.
Look at any soldier in any army in any country in the world, since the gun has been in existence.
Yes, he or she will have been taught to use their gun by shooting at targets, but are you seriously telling me that they are advised that this is all they are ever going to shoot at?
Take a rough guess at the number of guns every army in the world has used in combat, and then deduct the amount of target shooting used in training, and I think, by any stretch of the imagination, you will find that the majority of guns have been deployed to shoot human beings, because that is why soldiers are given guns, because that is what guns are designed to do.
Guns are designed to shoot people - I cannot understand why you will not simply accept that for the fact it is.
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