More Made Up Racism Where It Doesn’T Exist.

[webbo3]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/complaints-over-lloyds-bank-leaflet-2936674

The M word when talking about banking.....Moths? Magazines, mail, Music........I’ve got it Money., are M People racist?

[spathiphyllum]

From AOG:

"it is people like you who incites racism"

Right Oh.. LOL

Calling me racist because i saw what i saw doesn't add up. I'm not racist at all, and noticing how things could connotate isn't racist.. It's being aware of potential issues other people may see. It's a kind of empathy, something i wouldn't expect even half of ABers to understand.

I said, this leaflet, out of it's context, raises many issues.

[spathiphyllum]

Desk Diary i never said i compare black people to monkeys, i've said i'm aware other people have done in history and it's become a big issue.

Suggesting i'm racist to try and make your point louder is wrong, and kind of abusive.

Why don't you leave things that you on't understand well alone, such as my thoughts on this matter. You clearly have no idea of what my point even is.

[douglas9401]

Maybe it's 'M' for moot.

[spathiphyllum]

Only thing that is moot is the answers implying i'm racist for recognising something other people didn't.

Ah well.. if an 80 year old white man tells me it's not racist, it mustn't be racist of course. I must be racist for recognising the potential connotations

[Spicerack]

Ageist as well. Quit while you're behind, spath.

[spathiphyllum]

Not ageist in the slightest. Recognising someones age doesn't make me ageist .

Try not to throw too many labels about, some may land on yourself.

[spathiphyllum]

Anyhow.. the fact there have been complaints, in act proves the ad is racist. If people find it racist, it means it is. Racism isn't created.... it's recognised. As i've said before on this thread.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/racist-and-religious-hate-crime/

What you are doing... Is victim blaming. Blaming the victim for seeing connotations that weren't meant to be there.

Now, really... those connotations should have been noticed before the ad was put to the public.

[ludwig]

AH // I am mystified as to how anyone can see a racist angle in this advert. //

I'm not, because some people will find a racist angle in anything whether there's one there to be found or not.

Spath // those connotations should have been noticed before the ad was put to the public. //

I also agree with this. All adverts really should go through a screening process where they hire a team of perpetually offended professional snowflake types to vet each one for any possible connotations that may be found or invented.
A bit like how companies hire hackers to test their cyber-security. Potentially embarrassing gaffes could be avoided.

[anotheoldgit]

Spath

I never said you were a racist, I actually said "it is people like you who incites racism"

[spathiphyllum]

AOG, how can you incite racism? Someone is racist or they're not. If you're not racist, it's hard to incite racism.

I didn't encourage this.. The Bristol post did. Now we're just discussing it. If i was in the article, then yes maybe consider me an inciter.

Ya boy is just on the side line making comments.

[spathiphyllum]

"ya boy" being me

[Deskdiary]

Spath - "Well the fact discussing this (for me) made me connote M with monkey is yet another issue with this ‘advertisement’"

I responded to the statement above.

I don't think it could be more unambiguous that you (you even stated "for me") made a connection between a black man and a monkey.

Perhaps you didn't mean what you very clearly stated - I'd go for the Diane Abbott 'misspoke' defence if I were you, because to be honest, I'm prepared to believe you didn't mean what you typed, given you're not far behind Peter Pedant in Unwinese.

[spathiphyllum]

Nonsense nonsense something politically negative bout the left more nonsense then insulting other abers, yep normal day.

[SparklyKid]

Nothing wrong with the advert. Only an idiot would consider it racist, whatever racist means.

[Spicerack]

'Daaad, do you know the piano's on my foot'
'Serves you right for making racist adverts, son'

[Cloverjo]

Have any black people said they’re offended by the ad?

[vulcan42]

Spathiphyllum, you agree that the M refers to money yet you still say in the rascist context it implies monkey. If you know it stands for money why add a racist link ? In the link the person saw it as N for n......r, you see it as M for monkey I suggest you are both looking for racism where non exist.

[spathiphyllum]

I don't see how an M cule imply a word begining with N. I think in that sense, the woman is looking for something that isn't there.. However, i genuinely saw the M and how it was a forbidden word next to a black person, and this made me think of the recent H&M "coolest monkey in the jungle" T-shirt, and the BBC radio presenter who was fired for likening a royal baby to a monkey.

In such a short space of time, now we have this.

Is this my fault? No. The media has conditioned me.

[vulcan42]

" Is this my fault? No. The media has conditioned me"
Are you incapable of thinking for yourself?

[spathiphyllum]

Of course i am. Just because i see the forbidden M next to a black person, in an article about racism, doesn't make me racist... It just makes me think.

Vulcan, do you think people deliberately have thoughts, or do thoughts just come to people, which they can then choose to or not to act on?