Is This At All Acceptable In Modern Age?

[spathiphyllum]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3960350/I-m-Celebrity-s-male-stars-branded-emotional-wrecks-repeated-tears.html

Shaming men for their emotions. Does the mail know the male suicide rate? Think the DM need to get a grip themselves.

[emmie]

interesting piece, if any care to read it, and the Daily Mirror were as much to blame.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2011/dec/06/dailymail-oswald-mosley

[emmie]

But there is more context that is important. Harold's son, Esmond (Rothermere the Second) assumed control of the Mail before Harold died in 1940. Its coverage from the outbreak of war the year before reveals not a scintilla of support for Hitler.

[-Talbot-]

It's nearly 2019 for heaven's sake, get your writers and sub-editors' minds out of the 1970's and grow up!!!



No comment.

[naomi24]

I’m fed up with people displaying their emotions so freely both on and off television. I don’t watch X-Factor for that very reason. Everyone seems to be crying. I want to be entertained, not depressed. Why people think everyone else is interested in their life histories and their tales of heartache/woe is a complete mystery to me. What happened to self-respect and dignity?

[New Judge]

"I have do however have a problem when people are deliberately put into situations of physical and psychological depravation in order to provoke those emotions, in the guise of entertainment."

But nobody forces them to go through anything, Andy (unlike the lunatics in Bedlam who you mention). They sign up for these programmes for various reasons but rarely is it for the money (Harry Rednapp is a multi-millionaire and lives in a house in the most expensive part of the country).

These programmes are akin to bear baiting but the bears are being baited by consent. Whatever emotions or reactions they display are fair game and if they have the urine extracted from them in the press they get what they are paid for.

[Old_Geezer]

Everyone (almost maybe) has emotions. Not British to exagerate and overly express them, though. 2016, 2018, matters little. We don't change that fast as a species.

[Old_Geezer]

Newspapers change. (Look what a mess the new DM editor is making of the paper.) Doubt the pre-WW2 attitude is still supported at the DM.

[emmie]

OG it isn't.

[andy-hughes]

I will concede that the modern-day 'lunatics' are there of their own free will - but just because people want to revive flagging careers and do so voluntarily, does not in my view mitigate the deeply unpleasant aspect of the viewing public gleefully watching 'celebrities' demean themselves often ill-treating dumb animals in order to do so.

The 'voluntary' aspect of the tv show is a difference, it's not a mitigation.

[jno]

Churchill blubbed a lot.

[spathiphyllum]

Seems not everyone thinks it's an easy ride this year..

Twitter thinks it's borderline torture (lol doubt it?? safe words n all, like... I'm a celeb get me out"

http://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/film-and-tv-people-think-im-a-celeb-is-borderline-torture-for-the-campers-20181126

[naomi24]

^As you say, in your view.

[naomi24]

^That to andy-hughes.

[Mamyalynne]

To a point this type of programme began as and still is a social experiment, who is being studied though - the viewers or the participants?

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // ^As you say, in your view. //

I have said before, but am happy to repeat for your benefit - every view I post is my view, I never speak for anyone else, and if I am stating a fact, I will say so - so this is my view, which people can accept or not, that's how debate works you know.

[New Judge]

Yes I agree, Andy, in my view such programmes do demonstrate a more unpleasant side to the human psyche. But spathi's point (I think) is that the press should not report the reaction of some of the participants to the ordeals they are voluntarily undertaking for fear of affecting more vulnerable people. Unfortunately if it's on the telly it will get reported.

[emmie]

its like bear baiting with a blinded bear, sorry i can't see anything in the programme that would make me watch again.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //The 'voluntary' aspect of the tv show is a difference, it's not a mitigation. //

Ahh, so that^ was just your opinion too. Righto.

You don't need to repeat yourself for my benefit ... nor, I'd guess for anyone else's benefit ...

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // You don't need to repeat yourself for my benefit … //

Don't worry - I didn't.