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Parliament Would Never Say Yes, But With The Increase In Savage Murders, If They Were To Hold A Referendum For The Return Of Capital Punishment Would The British Public Vote Overwhelmingly 'yes'?
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SparklyKid - // You may be too young to remember, or know of the Rillington Place murders, where Timothy Evans was executed after conviction on the evidence of the person who quite probably (it remains unproven) murdered the wife and child for which Evans was hung.
What an arrogant assumption, what I would expect from you though. //
Opening my post with something like "You are obviously too young …" would have been an arrogant assumption.
But since I don't know how old you are, I was careful to say that you MAY BE too young.
Stop being so thin-skinned and looking for a pointless fight.
What an arrogant assumption, what I would expect from you though. //
Opening my post with something like "You are obviously too young …" would have been an arrogant assumption.
But since I don't know how old you are, I was careful to say that you MAY BE too young.
Stop being so thin-skinned and looking for a pointless fight.
AOG - // andy-hughes
/// Civilian casualties are the innocent victims in a war ///
Not so 'innocent' as you think, who manufacture the weapons, the shells, the bullets, the ships, the tanks and aircraft, for the military to use in their killings. //
I'm sure you will excuse me if I don't join you in a stroll down a semantic cul-de-sac which takes us off the thread.
/// Civilian casualties are the innocent victims in a war ///
Not so 'innocent' as you think, who manufacture the weapons, the shells, the bullets, the ships, the tanks and aircraft, for the military to use in their killings. //
I'm sure you will excuse me if I don't join you in a stroll down a semantic cul-de-sac which takes us off the thread.
AOG - // andy-hughes
How many more times???? The Lee Rigby killers did it, and if they were to hang tomorrow there would not be any other evidence popping up in years to come, to say "oh dear we made a mistake, they didn't kill Lee Rigby after all". //
I bet Timothy Evans' prosecuting council would wish they had your crystal ball.
How many more times indeed!!! No-one disputes that Lee Rigby was murdered, or who murdered him, but neither you or anyone else can say with any degree of certainty, that there may not be evidence yet to be discovered, that could shed light on reasons why they did it, and that evidence could alter the appropriate sentence.
As things stand, that sentence is life imprisonment, and therefore release is possible, but under your system, they would be dead and buried.
How many more times???? The Lee Rigby killers did it, and if they were to hang tomorrow there would not be any other evidence popping up in years to come, to say "oh dear we made a mistake, they didn't kill Lee Rigby after all". //
I bet Timothy Evans' prosecuting council would wish they had your crystal ball.
How many more times indeed!!! No-one disputes that Lee Rigby was murdered, or who murdered him, but neither you or anyone else can say with any degree of certainty, that there may not be evidence yet to be discovered, that could shed light on reasons why they did it, and that evidence could alter the appropriate sentence.
As things stand, that sentence is life imprisonment, and therefore release is possible, but under your system, they would be dead and buried.
jackthehat
/// SparklyKid - If you weren't so intent on trying to trip him up and contradicting him for your own puerile amusement you'd be able to see that his posts make a lot of sense.... ///
To you maybe, but you would say that wouldn't you?
But that does not make either of you right, only proof that you are both bosom friends.
/// SparklyKid - If you weren't so intent on trying to trip him up and contradicting him for your own puerile amusement you'd be able to see that his posts make a lot of sense.... ///
To you maybe, but you would say that wouldn't you?
But that does not make either of you right, only proof that you are both bosom friends.
SparklyKid - // I fervently believe the death penalty should be an option in certain cases. Fred and Rose West, The Hindleys, certainly the killers of Lee Rigby. Harold Shipman. There are many instances of convicted killers being released early and kill again. Our justice system is a total joke. //
Our justice system is flawed, no-one could ever argue with that, but it is the best we have.
It means we cannot use absolute punishments in a world where absolutely certainty of guilt without potential evidence indicating other than simple evil is simply not, and never will be available.
Our justice system is flawed, no-one could ever argue with that, but it is the best we have.
It means we cannot use absolute punishments in a world where absolutely certainty of guilt without potential evidence indicating other than simple evil is simply not, and never will be available.
SparklyKid - // I can still see the killer of Lee Rigby with a bloodied knife in his hand, yes, he should have been sentenced to death. What possible future evidence could be of any use. //
We don't know, because we can't see into the future, and that is entirely my point.
OK - couple of scenarios for you here - what if it came to light that the killers' families were being held under threat of death until the murder was completed?
It's a simple feasible scenario - it doesn't excuse the murder, but it does explain it, and puts a new motive behind it.
And that's just something I thought of sitting here - out there in the world where people's lives are at stake, we need to be more sure than we can be that no new evidence is going to come up - and we cannot be certain, and that is my point.
We don't know, because we can't see into the future, and that is entirely my point.
OK - couple of scenarios for you here - what if it came to light that the killers' families were being held under threat of death until the murder was completed?
It's a simple feasible scenario - it doesn't excuse the murder, but it does explain it, and puts a new motive behind it.
And that's just something I thought of sitting here - out there in the world where people's lives are at stake, we need to be more sure than we can be that no new evidence is going to come up - and we cannot be certain, and that is my point.
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