National Service In France Do We Need It Here?

[gordiescotland1]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44625625
I am very much in favour of national service in Britain what do other abs think ?

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

jno- No, it's not about putting folks in boxes, we're not saying send them to war- simply a scheme whereby basic discipline is instilled as our school system and epidemic of broken families is so clearly failing our younger generations in this regard.

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

Umm, if those traits had been taught we would not be having the enormous reaction of violence, protest culture, victim mentality and crime we have today. Ask anyone who has ever done national service or been in the services whether they regretted it, and the vast majority will say, never.

[ummmm]

Hazi - but the majority are good and are brought up well.

[Kromovaracun]

//many who believe that re-introducing national service would be an "intrusion of liberty" etc- is there really now generations of people who have been brought up to believe that you don't have to do anything you don't want to in life? Nutters//

This was quite a normal response in Britain before national service was introduced in WW1. It was introduced here remarkably late in comparison to other countries because we are historically a culture that prizes a person's freedom.

[Kromovaracun]

And there is a difference between "doing something you don't want to" and being forced into service by the state.

Moron.

[youngmafbog]

We definitely have a problem with quite a few of our youngsters due to poor parenting and entitled attitude amd the mememe way of life.

National service is not the way to fix it though.

[jno]

post-WW2 national service was a mistake: took thousands of men out of the workforce, and tied up experienced soldiers in training new ones. Mostly just done so that Britain would continue to look like a great power.

Lucky blacks and Asians weren't conscripted, though.

So, gordie, what contribution do you plan to make to the national service force you advocate?

[sherrardk]

Yet another thread that lumps all youngsters together and brands snowflakes or lazy, ill-mannered layabouts. I suspect many of you don't know many youngsters - I'm getting fed up to the back teeth of all the negativity.

[ummmm]

It's maddening, Sher.

[ichkeria]

I think s lot of the problem is the term ‘national service’ which conjures up images of pale faced youths yomping across fields, failing medicals, shooting themselves accidentally or on purpose with a weapon they ban hardly handle etc etc .
I’m not saying some sort of scheme would work but it seems worth more of a debate

[youngmafbog]

This is the problem we have:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5896225/Two-teenage-girls-arrested-ambulance-crew-attacked-attending-hoax-call.html

One of many, it does exist no point in burying your head in the sand.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Eddie/NJ et al representing this point of view: "The British armed forces have made it very clear that they DO NOT WANT conscription or national service".

(NB: Have only read first page of the thread so apologise if I'm repeating a point made by earlier posters.)

What the British army wants and what constitutes an effective army are not the issue, or at least not the only one. National Service reminds us of something forgotten by many and never learnt by some - the duties of citizenship as well as its rights and entitlements.

Of course, all this assumes that you see your country as something worth fighting for and defending.

[vetuste_ennemi]

PS: do hope that the pages I've missed show a higher concept of what it means to be a citizen of a free country than the bean counters post on page 1.

[Barmaid]

I'm not in favour. Our professional service personnel have to cope with enough without having a whole load of unwilling teenagers dumped on them. Plus who is going to pay them? And what about those youngsters who have jobs, university places and career plans? It's not really fair to make them postpone their career progression because we needed a plan to deal with a relatively small percentage of thugs and indolents.

[Zacs-Master]

Totally agree with NJ and OG.

It will never happen anyway. No Govt would be brave (or stupid) enough to introduce it.

[Bazile]

Yes if it was a Dad's Army type of operation and we could all go messing about in the woods

'Don't tell him, Pike'

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

It's clearly not going to happen here, so let youth have it's fling- the country is going to the dogs in any case.

Of course not all young people are the same, the vast majority are extremely hard-working, self-disciplined and unfailingly courteous of course, and our children deserve nothing better than to choose to do whatever they want at all times.

[ummmm]

No one can do whatever they want at all times.