How Do You Think Negotiations Have Gone- 2 Years On Saturday Since

[gordiescotland1]

It will be 2 years on Saturday since the Uk voted to Leave the EU how do you think things have gone? I think they have gone very badly and I think Theresa May is a weak leader who was always a remainer. I voted leave,how do others think the process has gone so far ?

[Old_Geezer]

Seems mostly concessions by us to them. A way to go yet though.

[dannyk13]

You cannot blame the PM for the U's intransigence

[dannyk13]

^EU^

[douglas9401]

Smmmoooooothhly. And completely as expected given the strong and stable leadership given to cats in a sack.

[Old_Geezer]

One may blame her for caving in to it though.

[dannyk13]

Caving in to it?

[ToraToraTora]

it's been an up co from the start, mainly caused by the unnecessary GE. But more than that we had nothing but treachery from the VB. We should have just stopped the DD the next day and walked away. we have been far too reasonable. The power was given to the government in June 2016, no need for Parliament to be involved, anything else is just wriggling from the SGB/VB. Anyway we have not got the best deal because our negotiators were useless but we will finally be out of this evil empire and I'm grateful for that.

[douglas9401]

Aye Tora, what you said, right up to the point where something doesn't quite fit your world view then it's all 'parliament is sovereign'.

[Sqad]

geordie.......

The two options in the referendum:

1) you want years of Political shambles.
2) you want to stay in the EU.

Guess what? They voted for the political shambles.......
Hoe are negotiations going? Ongoing.

[ToraToraTora]

I don't think I have ever written or uttered that phrase doug. The people elect parliament so in my view they are the higher authority when they are consulted. In their hap hazard half hearted way they are enacting the will of the people even though clearly it is against many of their personal views.
sqad they are not the original choices any shambles has been caused by all the unnecessary posturing by the SGB.

[Sqad]

TTT.....almost half the voters wanted to stay in as did half the cabinet.
Did one think that the EU would just "let go?"
Add that up and makes for "Political shambles plus 90% of voters had no idea of the consequences of either staying in or getting out.

[ToraToraTora]

"TTT.....almost half the voters wanted to stay in as did half the cabinet.
Did one think that the EU would just "let go?" " - the EU are irrelevant, we cancel the DD and post A50, then walk away, they do what they like. When they want a trade deal we talk like we do with any other country in the word.

[Sqad]

TTT.

" the EU are irrelevant, we cancel the DD and post A50, then walk away, they do what they like."

Good luck.

[cassa333]

I have never been keen to stay in a relationship just because getting out of it would be tricky, difficult or shambolic (as in this case) so wanting to stay in for those reasons is no reason at all. Rather cowardly in fact.

On the face of it the ‘negotiations’ seem very shambolic. The EU in one breath say ‘rules is rules’ but break them or allow them to be broken when it suits them.

We have made considerable concessions but the EU appear to have made none and have not even made clear their intentions on UK expats.

[sunny-dave]

The negotiations are a shambles (at least looking from the outside) but, as the wise Mr Portillo keeps saying, it was always going to look like this and there will be a deal acceptable to both sides at the eleventh hour.

I have always thought that we made a huge tactical error by sending a senior, elected, minister to negotiate with a ghastly squit (sorry 'bureaucrat') who can just keep waving his checklist and insisting that he has no authority to move beyond it.

We should have kept our elected Government back in London and sent a heavily mandated 'Sir Humphrey' with our own checklist.

When it (very rapidly) became apparent that the talks were inherently stalled, we should have insisted on *both* sides providing Organ Grinders rather than Monkeys and then the talks could have got started for real.

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

We are dealing with a very difficult and bureaucratic bloc, and this takes skill and also strong leadership. Personally, I don't think David Davis is up to the task and think Brexit would get rolling better and quicker with an intelligent and strong leader such as Jacob Rees-Mogg. I believe David Davis was a poor choice and Theresa's conversion to a Brexiteer has been lukewarm at best.

[KARL]

I would be happy to see a complete and irreconcilable impasse. Whether this happens through the UK sending an (even more)ineffective/intransigent team, simply by walking off in a huff/tantrum or any other way would not matter. I would then sit back and see which side shows more sign of having difficulty continuing with life once free of the other (I think they need to separate). It would perhaps quite soon become clear whether my private suspicions are borne out. Either way, I think something good will come out of the Brexit result after all, but that will not be something that has been much in evidence in AB discussions on the subject.

[youngmafbog]

None of this has been any surprise, indeed I'm sure the intransigence we see from the EU is the reason many voted out. I truly believe that if they had given Cameron at least something when he went to ask the referendum would have been different. But the Eurocrats just can't see this as they are too far removed from reality.

Of course the situation has been compounded by Remoaners (not leavers) who have consistently tried to overturn the referendum. The net result of this is that the EU, who were always going to try to punish the UK anyway, can see our hand.

Although Davis would not be my first choice I'm really not sure what anyone else could achieve. My instinct is like TTT. Cancel the payments and walk. Many things would undoubtedly been sorted when the EU realised we would do that.

[Old_Geezer]

Even if it turns out to be years of Political shambles it's a period of putting things right.

[youngmafbog]

One mans political shambles is another mans "draining the swamp".