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Labour's Worse Under Jeremy Corbyn Than It Was With Militant In The Eighties, Claims Tony Blair
He said Labour is in “much worse” shape now than during the Eighties under Michael Foot’s leadership.and claimed Jeremy Corbyn had allowed “extreme elements” to adopt dominant positions in the party.
“Now is worse,” he said. “Much worse, because it’s happening with the support of the leadership. They are bringing back the more extreme elements that were either outside the party or marginalised.”
His words will deepen the alarm felt by centrist Labour MPs about the rise of the Left under Mr Corbyn, whose allies last week secured a majority on the National Executive Committee and took over the chair of the party’s powerful disputes committee.
Labour MP Mary Creagh warned the party leadership not to be inward-looking amid reports that up to 50 MPs will be targeted for deselection by Leftists.
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“Now is worse,” he said. “Much worse, because it’s happening with the support of the leadership. They are bringing back the more extreme elements that were either outside the party or marginalised.”
His words will deepen the alarm felt by centrist Labour MPs about the rise of the Left under Mr Corbyn, whose allies last week secured a majority on the National Executive Committee and took over the chair of the party’s powerful disputes committee.
Labour MP Mary Creagh warned the party leadership not to be inward-looking amid reports that up to 50 MPs will be targeted for deselection by Leftists.
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emmie - // How many promises has Corbyn made if he gets into power, how many can he keep is more important.
Hasn't he said he would scrap university fees, sure the Chancellors of the Universities will be downright upset over that little bombshell. What else has he promised, more money for the NHS, where does that come from, what else? //
An important point.
You can promise the earth and the moon and stars, if you are confident that you will never be called on to deliver them.
It will be interesting to see what is in Labour's manifesto when the next election comes round - and he will have to reign in those fantasies and start living in the real world - where his potential voters are to be found.
Hasn't he said he would scrap university fees, sure the Chancellors of the Universities will be downright upset over that little bombshell. What else has he promised, more money for the NHS, where does that come from, what else? //
An important point.
You can promise the earth and the moon and stars, if you are confident that you will never be called on to deliver them.
It will be interesting to see what is in Labour's manifesto when the next election comes round - and he will have to reign in those fantasies and start living in the real world - where his potential voters are to be found.
TTT...remind me again then.
In my opinion, May completely misjudged the situation. She reneged on her word not to call an Election until 2020, went ahead and then fell on her spectacularly on her behind. Hence the puffy face at here own count, in the small hours of Friday 9th of June.
You will probably come back and say it wasn't her fault, as her "trusted" advisors gave her the wrong advice.
But she was PM and should take all the blame.
In my opinion, May completely misjudged the situation. She reneged on her word not to call an Election until 2020, went ahead and then fell on her spectacularly on her behind. Hence the puffy face at here own count, in the small hours of Friday 9th of June.
You will probably come back and say it wasn't her fault, as her "trusted" advisors gave her the wrong advice.
But she was PM and should take all the blame.
//But she was PM and should take all the blame.//
I have seen pretty much all the right wingers on here slate her for one of, if not the worst campaigns ever.
Those on the right, like some on the left, are always willing to point out the error of the Tories ways, it is the only way forward. You however can never accept labour do anything wrong. It is pretty unbelievable that labour fi your policies 100% and by not critising you are not pushing the party forward.
In the last election May gave an abysmal performance, that is not likely to be repeated. Corbyn promised the earth to Students but then later reneged and attempted to wriggle out of it. For the next election one would hope the Tories are ready with spreadsheets in hand to rip Abbott and McDonnel apart this time.
Unfortunaely I have to somewhat agree with the Toad Bliar. One thing the man does excel at is identiying how to get support. No party Labour, Conservative or liberal will ever win an election with core voters or the party faithful, all need to win over Middle Englands floating voter. - Mondeo Man. These are generally lower middle class if you want to categorise them, hard working and want the most for their hard earned cash as well as their families. Labour at the moment is promising to hit them hard with taxes to pay for the workshy, not really a vote winner is it?
I have seen pretty much all the right wingers on here slate her for one of, if not the worst campaigns ever.
Those on the right, like some on the left, are always willing to point out the error of the Tories ways, it is the only way forward. You however can never accept labour do anything wrong. It is pretty unbelievable that labour fi your policies 100% and by not critising you are not pushing the party forward.
In the last election May gave an abysmal performance, that is not likely to be repeated. Corbyn promised the earth to Students but then later reneged and attempted to wriggle out of it. For the next election one would hope the Tories are ready with spreadsheets in hand to rip Abbott and McDonnel apart this time.
Unfortunaely I have to somewhat agree with the Toad Bliar. One thing the man does excel at is identiying how to get support. No party Labour, Conservative or liberal will ever win an election with core voters or the party faithful, all need to win over Middle Englands floating voter. - Mondeo Man. These are generally lower middle class if you want to categorise them, hard working and want the most for their hard earned cash as well as their families. Labour at the moment is promising to hit them hard with taxes to pay for the workshy, not really a vote winner is it?
With regard to a moderate option, in 1955, when party political broadcasts were first made, the then leader of the Liberal Party, Clement Davies, said, "We Liberals look neither to the right nor the left, but go straight down the middle of the road", prompting Nye Bevan (Mikey's hero) to remark, "He who goes down the middle of the road deserves to be bloody well run over".
I think that people are misremembering what New Labour was all about. It wasn't a copy of the Tories, it was a dive for the centre. The Tories were still very much to the right of the centre, and it was Cameron's Tory party that donned many of the clothes of the Blair administration in order to detoxify itself.
The problem that ensued after that is that Labour and the Conservatives started fighting for the centre ground - to the point the they were largely indistinguishable.
Labour moving further to the left is not something that appeals to me - but it does appeal to a huge number of the electorate.
There needs to be a clear divide between the two major parties.
The problem that ensued after that is that Labour and the Conservatives started fighting for the centre ground - to the point the they were largely indistinguishable.
Labour moving further to the left is not something that appeals to me - but it does appeal to a huge number of the electorate.
There needs to be a clear divide between the two major parties.
//There needs to be a clear divide between the two major parties.//
That would be very nice but slightly idealistic. It is the centre ground where the floating voters are to be found; those that win you elections.
That is what Bliar understood well and why Camoron followed too.
The problem JC will have is that by shifting so far to the left and having quite a number of idealistic policies that Middle England floating voters will cost them dearly whilst the Tories stay centre-right he will struggle to get their votes and so will struggle to get the keys to No 10.
It could be an interesting next election, I think we will see more fire in the bellies of the combatants and less complacency on both sides.
What both sides still need to do is recognise the UK is far bigger than London and have polices that appear to be across the country. Left wing liberalism and PC politics are generally not for those outside of London.
That would be very nice but slightly idealistic. It is the centre ground where the floating voters are to be found; those that win you elections.
That is what Bliar understood well and why Camoron followed too.
The problem JC will have is that by shifting so far to the left and having quite a number of idealistic policies that Middle England floating voters will cost them dearly whilst the Tories stay centre-right he will struggle to get their votes and so will struggle to get the keys to No 10.
It could be an interesting next election, I think we will see more fire in the bellies of the combatants and less complacency on both sides.
What both sides still need to do is recognise the UK is far bigger than London and have polices that appear to be across the country. Left wing liberalism and PC politics are generally not for those outside of London.
mikey; "TTT...remind me again then. " - sigh ok, the results Tories: 42.3%, Labour 40%. The voters were almost completely polarised, normally those percentages would have delivered a big majority for either side. For comparison take Labour's 43.2% in 1997, so May, despite a terrible campaign and many own goals, actually got within 1 percentage point of St Tony in 1997. Take into account Corbyn's conning of the young and the fact that next time the Tories will not make those errors, then it follows that the Tories will slaughter Labour in 2022.
TTT...I have never accepted that Labour conned anyone...produce the evidence.
But it still stands that since Corbyn has been elected, Labour have been more popular than ever.
Who will win in 2020 is debatable, and I am not willing to make a forecast that far ahead. But the next Election may be sooner than 2020....that is up to Mrs May.
But it still stands that since Corbyn has been elected, Labour have been more popular than ever.
Who will win in 2020 is debatable, and I am not willing to make a forecast that far ahead. But the next Election may be sooner than 2020....that is up to Mrs May.
have a day off mikey, Corbyn promised to abolish student loans etc then the party itself said it was merely an "ambition" : Even the grauniad published their u turn: https:/
What's happening in 2020 mikey? the next election is 2022.
What's happening in 2020 mikey? the next election is 2022.
Danny....this is the relevant page in the Manifesto ::::
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A clear pledge to stop fees in the future but I can't see any mention of wiping out all current student debts.
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A clear pledge to stop fees in the future but I can't see any mention of wiping out all current student debts.
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