Britain First's Paul Golding And Jayda Fransen Arrested

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42351026

[naomi24]

ichkeria, nonsense it is not. They have been slated on here for tweeting videos of, to use your words, ‘blood lusting Islamists’, which seems rather odd to me, since it’s the ‘blood lusting Islamists’ who are the real enemy and the real hate mongers.

Mikey, you still haven't answered my question.

[mikey4444]

Keep on supporting BF if you like Naomi, but, as you can see, not everybody agrees with you.

Like Theresa May.

[emmie]

I don't support BF but can see where they are coming from, and come a fight between them and the Islamists,
i know which side i would support.

[douglas9401]

For the non-Welsh speakers among us 07:30 translates as nah nah nana nah.

[ichkeria]

Actually I think - if it is the videos retweeted by Trump you refer to - at least one of those fake (fake? not a problem protested a supporter of Trump’s in the US)
But your talk of ‘the real enemy’ disturbs me. There are many enemies we face and some are indeed worse than others. It would be odd we’re that not the case. I grew up in NI where religious hatred and bigotry went hand in hand with terrorist violence. We frequently had lectures from the ‘mainland’ - and sometimes still do - about how awful we are. And so it is rather galling to see people from BF (albeit as Mikey points out BF being the rancid spawn of Loyalist paramilitaries) coming over stirring new religious conflict.
Hence the outrage, and forgive me if I don’t hold back because they happen to make a thing of criticising IS etc. They do it for their own ends.
And as I once said before those ends are nothing to do with peace. If you seriously think they are then fair enough, we will just have to differ on that.

[ichkeria]

But emmie it isn’t a fight between BF and the Islamists. If Paul Golding were about to be beheaded by a terrorist and I was in a position to save him I would. But that isn’t where we’re at with this.

[naomi24]

Mikey, why are they wrong to condemn Islamic extremists?

ichkeria, same question to you.

[emmie]

i would like to know the same, that people on here and BF
should condemn Islamic hate preachers and the like, as i do.

[emmie]

but Ickeria we will be one of these days, that is i think what disturbs me the most, that it will come to a fight and we will lose.

[mikey4444]

Emmie....I have always condemned preachers of hate, whether they be Islamic, or, in this Fascist.

One of our thicker posters on AB questioned my condemnation of Anjem Choudary yesterday, inferring that I was somehow luke-warm, when that was the complete opposite of the truth.

A couple of weeks ago, you said that you had never heard of BF. Golding has already been sentenced for his activities.

Franzen has been convicted of religiously aggravated harassment. And now they have been arrested again, and have appeared in a British court of law.

These are not nice people, and they do not belong to a nice organisation. They themselves are preachers of hate.

I suggest that you research BF a little more....its not like some quasi-British Legion, although it tries to make itself look that way, to the casual observer at least.

[naomi24]

Mikey, why are they wrong to condemn Islamic extremists?

[emmie]

i hadn't heard of them till you posted, I know of the NF, BNP
they seem of the same ilk.

[mikey4444]

Naomi...Itchy and I have already answered that question, many, many times. Here's one for you ::::

Why have both Golding and Franzen been convicted in the past, and why are they both in Court, in Belfast ?

[naomi24]

Mikey, //One of our thicker posters on AB questioned my condemnation of Anjem Choudary yesterday//

I've just had a look at your post from yesterday and I can't see any 'thick' posters responding to it - which leads me to question your suitability to gauge 'thick'.

[mikey4444]

Emmie....correct !

Here is the first line of BFs Wiki page ::

"Britain First is a far-right and ultranationalist British political organisation formed in 2011 by former members of the British National Party (BNP). It was founded by Jim Dowson, an anti-abortion campaigner linked to Ulster loyalist groups in Northern Ireland.

The organisation's leader is former BNP councillor Paul Golding and its deputy leader is Franzen"

As I said....not very nice, are they ?

[naomi24]

Mikey, you haven't answered my question at all. You've ducked and dived around it - just as you're doing again.

[emmie]

no they are not, but i dislike the likes of Choudary even less.
perhaps that says i am a racist too.......

[mikey4444]

Why have both Golding and Franzen been arrested Naomi ?

Let me help you out :::

On 18 November 2017, Fransen was arrested in London by detectives from the Police Service of Northern Ireland in relation to a speech she had made at a rally outside Belfast City Hall on 6 August. She was charged with employing "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour" and is due to appear at Belfast Magistrates' Court on 14 December"

In December 2017, apparently on a visit to Belfast to support Jayda Fransen in her court appearance for allegedly using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, Golding was arrested by the Police Service of Northern Ireland regarding a speech he gave in the city in August, and was later charged.

[mikey4444]

Emmie....with respect, that is daft !

Choudary was convicted of inviting support for a proscribed organisation, namely the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, under the Terrorism Act 2000.

Nothing whatsoever racist about hating someone like him. My regret is that he wasn't apprehended and sentenced years before he was.

Have a look at his Wiki page !

[naomi24]

Mikey, I didn’t ask you why they’ve been arrested. I asked you, not for the first time, if they’re wrong to condemn Islamic extremists. Are they?