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Considering These Past Five Controversial State Visits, Is There Any Reason Why President Trump's Visit Should Be So Viciously Opposed?
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If he were a murderous tyrant I could understand the objections but he isn't; he's just someone who gets right up the left's nose, hardly a reason for banning him. He will never be forgiven for beating the fragrant Hillary.
20:39 Fri 01st Dec 2017
For the record, I think the visit should still go ahead, but the Royal Family should be spared the indignity of having to take part.
The main reason that I think it should go ahead, is to allow the mass protests that will result, to go ahead as well. Judging by what I have seen, Trump only ever appears in public, in order to be worshiped by his fans, never to be opposed and questioned by anybody.
He needs to learn that not everybody is a redneck and thinks that he wonderful. By cancelling the visit, this Government would be depriving our population of the right to object.
The main reason that I think it should go ahead, is to allow the mass protests that will result, to go ahead as well. Judging by what I have seen, Trump only ever appears in public, in order to be worshiped by his fans, never to be opposed and questioned by anybody.
He needs to learn that not everybody is a redneck and thinks that he wonderful. By cancelling the visit, this Government would be depriving our population of the right to object.
Judging by voting figures, estimates of the number of 'rednecks' in the Us may need to be revised upwards.
Unless only the vocal minority fall into that class and as such should not be used in every post to ridicule the most dim-witted oaf ever to plonk his well-upholstered posterior in the Oval Office.
It's a bit like saying all who voted for Brexit are geezers having a giraffe.
Unless only the vocal minority fall into that class and as such should not be used in every post to ridicule the most dim-witted oaf ever to plonk his well-upholstered posterior in the Oval Office.
It's a bit like saying all who voted for Brexit are geezers having a giraffe.
There is no reason at all he should not visit. Many (silent) in the UK are ok with him or dont care either way. It is the baying MSM and left wing Twitface 'media experts' that are frothing at the mouth as we see here regularly.
Trump is not a racist, misogynist or a moronic ogre, neithre has he really interfered in our politics other than to say we could be at the fonrt of the queue. I suppose if you are a rabid remainer that is interfering maybe?
//but the Royal Family should be spared the indignity of having to take part. //
Are you really serious given those HM has had to entertain, including killers?
And of course all of this forgets the visit is for the Office of the President of the United States, not the individual.
Trump is not a racist, misogynist or a moronic ogre, neithre has he really interfered in our politics other than to say we could be at the fonrt of the queue. I suppose if you are a rabid remainer that is interfering maybe?
//but the Royal Family should be spared the indignity of having to take part. //
Are you really serious given those HM has had to entertain, including killers?
And of course all of this forgets the visit is for the Office of the President of the United States, not the individual.
I detest Trump and think he is an duplicitous, cynical toad who represents a threat to peace and to America's democratic political institutions.
He is not, however, in anything like the same league as Ceausescu, who must surely rank as the most vile and odious person who ever got to hang out with the queen (or indeed to be praised openly by multiple UK governments and US presidents).
I'd be happy for the visit to be cancelled if the UK continues to show the same rigorous moral standards in future, but we all know they won't. So it seems an utterly futile gesture. The protest is welcome and appropriate though. That's the kind of country we are.
He is not, however, in anything like the same league as Ceausescu, who must surely rank as the most vile and odious person who ever got to hang out with the queen (or indeed to be praised openly by multiple UK governments and US presidents).
I'd be happy for the visit to be cancelled if the UK continues to show the same rigorous moral standards in future, but we all know they won't. So it seems an utterly futile gesture. The protest is welcome and appropriate though. That's the kind of country we are.
Perhaps because there is a difference between visiting statesmen and women whose actions and opinions are known to be opposed to our way of thinking but we opt to be diplomatic; and someone whose country we are supposed to be in a special relationship with but who seem to be a loose cannon and an embarrassment to his own country and their allies. One is more willing to indicate disapproval of a friend (or friendly country) who is playing up than someone less cared for.
Trump has been ineffectual as POTUS and seems ill suited to the task. But that isn’t our problem. We should continue our close ties with the US, and the State visit should go ahead. The UK is friends with the US and that is paramount. Trump is ephemeral and something better will come along, but in the meantime we should just make the best of it.
Well, at least he isn't underwhelming;
" Jeremy Corbyn is on the front of this month's GQ. On the Today programme, the magazine's editor Dylan Jones said that when the Labour leader turned up for the photoshoot, staff found him ‘underwhelming’, the process was ‘tortuous’ and ‘it was almost like he was being pushed around like a grandpa for the family Christmas photograph. He wasn't particularly aware of what was going on.’ "
and more seriously, State visits aren't about the personalities of the visitor, it is about the symbolism of the visit, and Teresa has blown it, like she's blowing most things. On such matters it's best to keep stumm, as someone with more statesmanlike qualities like say, Putin would have done.
" Jeremy Corbyn is on the front of this month's GQ. On the Today programme, the magazine's editor Dylan Jones said that when the Labour leader turned up for the photoshoot, staff found him ‘underwhelming’, the process was ‘tortuous’ and ‘it was almost like he was being pushed around like a grandpa for the family Christmas photograph. He wasn't particularly aware of what was going on.’ "
and more seriously, State visits aren't about the personalities of the visitor, it is about the symbolism of the visit, and Teresa has blown it, like she's blowing most things. On such matters it's best to keep stumm, as someone with more statesmanlike qualities like say, Putin would have done.
I concede AOG's point that we have given hospitality to far more odious leaders in the past, but that's not necessarily a valid reason to continue to do so.
The difficulty lies in Britain's links with the US, and the need to maintain a good (if not 'special' relationship) which is rather strained at present because of the President's difficult habit of saying silly, and then more silly things, on Twitter.
It appears that he is as lukewarm about visiting as the government is in hosting him, so it's all on hold anyway.
The difficulty lies in Britain's links with the US, and the need to maintain a good (if not 'special' relationship) which is rather strained at present because of the President's difficult habit of saying silly, and then more silly things, on Twitter.
It appears that he is as lukewarm about visiting as the government is in hosting him, so it's all on hold anyway.
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