L'oreal Sack Transgender Model

[mushroom25]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/41127404/loreal-sacks-first-transgender-model-munroe-bergdorf - described by the industry as "the modern face of diversity" - By sacking her, haven't L'Oreal just proved her point?

[pixie374]

"He" is actually the right word though- I put "she" with gritted teeth. Nobody is fooled though.

[naomi24]

Jim, He's a bloke.

[jim360]

If you really must insist on that sort of guff, why not use "they"? Then you can insult them for all the crap they deserve insulting for to your heart's content. But on a point of pronouns I'll always fight her corner, and all those like her.

[pixie374]

Me too... but pretence is pointless.

[pastafreak]

She's quite well endowed ( fake or otherwise )for a bloke...

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/01/loreal-sacks-munroe-bergdorf-over-all-whites-are-racist-facebook-post-6895275/

[NoMercy]

It's a Bruce, not a Sheila.

[naomi24]

Jim, pretend all you like, but the fact is he's a bloke.

[mushroom25]

Modern thinking on gender identity apparently has nothing to do with xx or xy, or penises, or cervixes. It's about how you self identify. So you might be 6'6" tall, shaped like an upside down wedge, have no neck, have a hairy back and a full beard - regardless of appearance and in the absence of re-assignment - but if you say you're female, then you are a she.

[-Talbot-]

"Because most of ya'll don't even realise or refuse to acknowledge that your existence, privilege and success as a race is built on the backs, blood and death of people of colour.


He/she what ever ... either I have read his/her comments before or the above is a standard guff from idiots with an axe to grind.

[pixie374]

Sex, not gender, mushroom. He can wear /appear/ behave however he wants. It doesn't make him female.

[Prudie]

The transgender bit is surely irrelevant. You don't employ someone to be the face of diversity who then makes prejudiced remarks about a section of society.

[jim360]

The fact is that the tide of history is against those who don't give her identity the respect it deserves. But don't let that stop you from fighting it -- still, gradually we are moving to a time where there's less dogged opposition to what should be a fairly obvious point: that you call her what *she* likes, not what *you* like.

As to her views... well, it's obviously not something I endorse. The right decision to remove her from the campaign.

[Deskdiary]

I know I'm getting on a bit, being in my mid-40s, but I just cannot accept the nonsense of 'gender identity', 'non-binary', and my favourite nonsense of all, 'gender fluidity'.

Taking the latter absurdity, and I accept my tongue is wedged firmly in my cheek (and I've made this point before), if I choose to self-identify because of my gender fluidity as a woman between 8pm and 9pm on a Monday night...would it be in order to use the ladies changing rooms at my local swimming baths? Because there is a stunner who swims at that time of night.

Of course I'm being absurd - but I would suggest no less absurd than one day, or one hour, fluidly identifying as a man, and then the next day, or next hour, identifying as a woman.

Whatever.

This person has been sacked because he/she/it is a racist.

[-Talbot-]

I wish some people would just get a grip and call a racist a racist.

[Baldric]

Doesn't look quite so 'ridiculous' here does he?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/15/11/278DD6EA00000578-3038336-Transgender_Munroe_has_made_a_name_for_herself_on_London_s_party-a-18_1429094041964.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3038336/Glamorous-transgender-model-DJ-beat-bullies-called-effeminate-fulfil-dream-woman.html

[naomi24]

Jim, //The fact is that the tide of history is against those who don't give her identity the respect it deserves.//

The other side of the coin. If women were picky don’t you think they might be within their rights to insist their gender be given the respect it deserves? Why should they be expected to accept people identifying as women when they’re not? Where are real women in all of this?

Talbot, he is racist and I said so.

[Deskdiary]

I reckon if they put that amount of slap on me, sympathetically photographed me, and then whipped out the airbrushes, I'd be 'doable' as well.

Actually I wouldn't - I've played a lot of rugby in my time, and my nose looks like it doesn't know which side of my face it should be on (think Mike Tindall and then some).

[jim360]

It's quite easy, really.

[237SJ]

It's a bit of a shame that she had the opportunity to be a role model for a "minority" in modelling and ruined it. A bit like Naomi Campbell.

[atalanta]

How would any/all of you react to a 6ft4" person arriving at a women's refuge, sporting a huge beard, and heavy boots, not to mention solid muscles, but declaring itself to be a woman ? Would you let it into the refuge ?