No Intelligence Failure...

[vetuste_ennemi]

...says Dick:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40232140

[Jackdaw33]

You missed the 'head' bit off.

[vetuste_ennemi]

// 'head' bit off//

I think one has to draw the line somewhere.

[mikey4444]

The Authorities were warned about these people, and they did nothing.

Well...that's OK then, isn't it ?

[Zacs-Master]

They were probably warned about 20,000 others too. It's a difficult situation. Dragging everyone in who they suspect and carrying out in-depth investigations as follow ups simply isn't possible. It would also have the potential to inflame the communities in which they live, and create 20,000 more radicals.

[naomi24]

Mikey, //The Authorities were warned about these people, and they did nothing. //

You keep saying that but I've yet to read your solution. What would you do?

[Gromit]

He advertised himself as a jihadist nutcase on a nationwide TV broadcast, yet he slipped through the net.
He was also reported to the Terrorist Hotline.

But the conclusion is that the system didn't fail. Well it did, and that woman should be sacked.

[naomi24]

Perhaps this is the sort of 'tolerance' that Theresa May, last week, said must stop. I agree with her. Allowing people like him to remain free is, without doubt, an 'Intelligence' failure

[Gromit]

naomi24

The Manchester bomber was reported to the relevent authorities 5 times.

The so called hotline is little more than a PR stunt to give the impression that they are doing something, when in effect it is useless and misleading the public.

Why would anyone bother reporting a suspect in future when it is obvious that the process is broken ?

[naomi24]

Gromit, I know. 'Intelligence' is at a premium.

Out of interest, what would you do, Gromit?

[mikey4444]

The Authorities have been asking us to report anything suspicious, and we keep hearing that good intelligence is the best way to deal with these threats.

And yet, in this case and in Manchester, that is exactly what people did....they reported their concerns.

So, perhaps if the Authorises has more resource, like say, 20,000 more police officers, they might be able to deal rather better with these threats than they are doing at present. The Police have said that Police Officers on the ground, picking up what they hear, would help, as they always do, with any crime.

Mrs May has yet to tell us why she presided over a period of wholesale job losses in the Police Forces across the country.

Is it any wonder that so many people rejected Mrs May on Thursday ?

[naomi24]

Mikey, this isn't about police numbers. These people were reported, they were on the security services radar, but the security services didn't act to prevent them from doing what they did.

What do you think they should have done?

[Gromit]

naomi24

I would put more people on evaluating these tip offs from the public. I would make sure they are properly trained, and enough of them to do the job properly.

The Manchester and London attacks could have been prevented if the tip offs had been heeded.

They will tell us that lessons have been learned, but I doubt anything has changed if that aptly named Dick is anything to go by.

[mikey4444]

Gromit...."The Manchester and London attacks could have been prevented if the tip offs had been heeded"

Agree 100%. I am not sure what else the public could have done, apart from making a citizens arrest and marching the suspects down to their nearest Police Station.

[naomi24]

Gromit, what does that mean? You'd have kept a closer watch on them? OK, what about the rest? Sheer numbers make it an impossible task.

[naomi24]

Mikey, when a suspect is reported to them, what do you think the security services should do?

[Zacs-Master]

I think you're vastly underestimating the amount of tip offs the police are getting Mikey.

[mikey4444]

I don't know how many tip-offs the Police are getting, and neither does anybody else. But in last two terrorist outrages, we do know, so why didn't the Authorities act on them ?

[naomi24]

Mikey, all you're doing is repeating what you've already said. Once again, what do you think the authorities should do when they receiver a report?

[naomi24]

*receive*

[Gromit]

Zacs,

If you are saying the system cannot cope because of the sheer numbers, then more resources have to be put into making it work. Or scrap the line altogether.

For the authorities to get good intelligence given to them, and then there are attacks by people 'in the system', then the system has to be overhauled to work better.