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Corbyn This Afternoon
Hate to say it but Corbyn did damn well again this afternoon at the 2.30pm press conference.
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Jim, //That's from the same school of rhetoric as "Brexit means Brexit"... // Not quite sure how you work that out, but the mentality of the naïve – or those on the lookout for a freebie - never ceases to amaze me, so I’m pretty philosophica
19:59 Thu 01st Jun 2017
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At 21.17 there were aspects of truth in kvalidir's post.
I knew someone who was deemed fit to work who was diagnosed with terminal pancreatic cancer. More and more people are using foodbanks etc so it is a reflection on 'the real world'.
Kvalidir, to her credit, has a keen sense of perspective and recognises that although she may be worse off, there are many more in an even worse state.
Is that something to be critical of?
I knew someone who was deemed fit to work who was diagnosed with terminal pancreatic cancer. More and more people are using foodbanks etc so it is a reflection on 'the real world'.
Kvalidir, to her credit, has a keen sense of perspective and recognises that although she may be worse off, there are many more in an even worse state.
Is that something to be critical of?
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"I have a house with a filthy great garden, I'm not on the poverty line, chances are my Tax will go up, and I'll end up financially worse off, but so what?"
But so what!!!
Then perhaps the success tax and garden tax should be voluntary so that people like you who think you have a greater social conscience than others can demonstrate by volunteering to be worse off.
I too have a filthy great garden, and financially I most definitely will be worse off. Having only this week received my P60 and completed my self-assessment tax return, I will not be so crass as to post how much I have paid in tax and NI (which is tax by any other name), but suffice to say I already do my bit - frankly I think I do more than my fair share so it sickens me to my stomach that the clowns in Labour pick on soft-targets who are doing reasonably well in life (but are by no means rich) when those people are already shouldering the heavier burden.
I want to keep more of MY money, not less.
It is not my fault people need to use food banks, it is not my fault that some people haven't done as well as others (hey, that's life), and yet it is me, and people like me, who are going to be called upon to (partly) pay for Labour's spending spree when me and people like me are already shouldering the heavier tax burden.
In round numbers a person earning £20k will pay 15% tax and a person earning £80k will pay 30%. So double the % amount, but in pound note terms 8 x as much, but as far as Labour is concerned this isn't enough. I have yet to hear a reasoned argument as to why this is fair.
Should Labour win (and the very thought makes my blood run cold), bearing in mind McDonnell will be the chancellor, which is a joke in of itself - the man is a prat, 50% over £123k will be just the start.
As far as I'm concerned the best outcome when we wake up next Friday is for the Tories to have a large majority and then JC, closely followed by McDonnell and the High Priestess of Idiocy Abbott resign their shadow posts and in the fullness of time Labour transform into a party that should they win in 2022 they will not drag the country back to the 70s and into bankruptcy.
Your post at 21.17 kvalidir comes across to me as very naïve.
But so what!!!
Then perhaps the success tax and garden tax should be voluntary so that people like you who think you have a greater social conscience than others can demonstrate by volunteering to be worse off.
I too have a filthy great garden, and financially I most definitely will be worse off. Having only this week received my P60 and completed my self-assessment tax return, I will not be so crass as to post how much I have paid in tax and NI (which is tax by any other name), but suffice to say I already do my bit - frankly I think I do more than my fair share so it sickens me to my stomach that the clowns in Labour pick on soft-targets who are doing reasonably well in life (but are by no means rich) when those people are already shouldering the heavier burden.
I want to keep more of MY money, not less.
It is not my fault people need to use food banks, it is not my fault that some people haven't done as well as others (hey, that's life), and yet it is me, and people like me, who are going to be called upon to (partly) pay for Labour's spending spree when me and people like me are already shouldering the heavier tax burden.
In round numbers a person earning £20k will pay 15% tax and a person earning £80k will pay 30%. So double the % amount, but in pound note terms 8 x as much, but as far as Labour is concerned this isn't enough. I have yet to hear a reasoned argument as to why this is fair.
Should Labour win (and the very thought makes my blood run cold), bearing in mind McDonnell will be the chancellor, which is a joke in of itself - the man is a prat, 50% over £123k will be just the start.
As far as I'm concerned the best outcome when we wake up next Friday is for the Tories to have a large majority and then JC, closely followed by McDonnell and the High Priestess of Idiocy Abbott resign their shadow posts and in the fullness of time Labour transform into a party that should they win in 2022 they will not drag the country back to the 70s and into bankruptcy.
Your post at 21.17 kvalidir comes across to me as very naïve.
From today's Telegraph
"Labour’s election campaign is being boosted by fake social media accounts that pump out positive messages about Jeremy Corbyn thousands of times per day, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.
One in eight messages about British politics posted on Twitter are generated by automated accounts known as web robots or “bots”.
Individual accounts each post up to 1,000 messages per day attacking Theresa May or promoting Labour. They are set up to look like personal user accounts to trick other users into thinking real people are backing Labour. Automated accounts also back other parties, but to a far smaller degree.
They were described last night by Oxford University researchers as “worrying” because of the power of automated accounts to “distort” and influence views."
...and so it goes
"Labour’s election campaign is being boosted by fake social media accounts that pump out positive messages about Jeremy Corbyn thousands of times per day, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.
One in eight messages about British politics posted on Twitter are generated by automated accounts known as web robots or “bots”.
Individual accounts each post up to 1,000 messages per day attacking Theresa May or promoting Labour. They are set up to look like personal user accounts to trick other users into thinking real people are backing Labour. Automated accounts also back other parties, but to a far smaller degree.
They were described last night by Oxford University researchers as “worrying” because of the power of automated accounts to “distort” and influence views."
...and so it goes
Meanwhile the Tory party tried buying a Google Ad allowing it to defend its policy about Social Care (before then changing it in the face of criticism anyway).
Fake social media accounts don't enter polls. Still, it's troubling all the same that both sides resort to such tactics to try and influence the election. In the end you'd hope it will balance out but needs tackling all the same.
Also, just to be clear, this is basically the sort of thing that the Trump campaign, or various backers of the Trump campaign, has been accused of.
Fake social media accounts don't enter polls. Still, it's troubling all the same that both sides resort to such tactics to try and influence the election. In the end you'd hope it will balance out but needs tackling all the same.
Also, just to be clear, this is basically the sort of thing that the Trump campaign, or various backers of the Trump campaign, has been accused of.
kvalidir, // Meanwhile in the 'real world' some of us actually think about other people and not just ourselves- that's what a civilised society is supposed to do since you don't seem to realise that. Hope that helps :/ //
Thank you - it helps a little – but only insofar as it reaffirms the limited mindset that habitually assumes that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the unworkable philosophy of Red Flag politics must necessarily be devoid of human compassion and social conscience. Virtue signalers unite in a cacophony of raucous self-congratulation! Meanwhile the rest of us will maintain our dignity and continue to do what we do for society as quietly as ever.
Thank you - it helps a little – but only insofar as it reaffirms the limited mindset that habitually assumes that anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the unworkable philosophy of Red Flag politics must necessarily be devoid of human compassion and social conscience. Virtue signalers unite in a cacophony of raucous self-congratulation! Meanwhile the rest of us will maintain our dignity and continue to do what we do for society as quietly as ever.
Thanks Mikey that was very gallant but the reality is I don't give a stuff who has a pop at me, I left last time because tbh the site was boring and ranty. It's still ranty but it's quite entertaining at the moment.
To address Naomi's point, I'm not virtue signalling, I'm standing up for what I believe in, and the polls appear to show that quite a few other people are as well. If my age is relevant (not sure it is actually) then so is everyone else's, and although all of the elderly and older people I mix with tend towards the left for the most part, I think a fair few older people like Naomi here are stuck in their terrified rut about their savings, their pension, and being in general terror of things changing from the way they anticipated they would be. Strong right wingers and left wingers will never have a great deal of respect for one another's political views and will snip and spar about them, so any opinion Naomi etc might have of me is irrelevant to me and I imagine the reverse is also true.
To address Naomi's point, I'm not virtue signalling, I'm standing up for what I believe in, and the polls appear to show that quite a few other people are as well. If my age is relevant (not sure it is actually) then so is everyone else's, and although all of the elderly and older people I mix with tend towards the left for the most part, I think a fair few older people like Naomi here are stuck in their terrified rut about their savings, their pension, and being in general terror of things changing from the way they anticipated they would be. Strong right wingers and left wingers will never have a great deal of respect for one another's political views and will snip and spar about them, so any opinion Naomi etc might have of me is irrelevant to me and I imagine the reverse is also true.
kvalidir....only too happy to oblige, but it seems that you don't really need my help ....well done to you !
Stand up to any bullies that you might encounter on here, or ignore them, as I do.
Actually, your age does matter, at least here on AB.
I am not sure what the exact average age profile is, here on AB, but I would hazard a guess that its not young.
So few of your generation seem interested in politics, and even fewer seem to want to get out and vote. I was talking to a few teens over the weekend, and most didn't even know there was an Election in the offing !
Unbelievable but true, and very sad.
Stand up to any bullies that you might encounter on here, or ignore them, as I do.
Actually, your age does matter, at least here on AB.
I am not sure what the exact average age profile is, here on AB, but I would hazard a guess that its not young.
So few of your generation seem interested in politics, and even fewer seem to want to get out and vote. I was talking to a few teens over the weekend, and most didn't even know there was an Election in the offing !
Unbelievable but true, and very sad.
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