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Is It Right For Our Foreign Secretary To Call For Mass Demonstrations Outside The Russian Embassy?
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Ichkeria, I think we all know that ISIS "straddles borders" that's why it's called the 'Islamic state of Iraq and Syria'. The jihadists in Syria wish to overthrow the government and are aided and abetted by the Sunni, Saudis, The government doesn't want to be overthrown, so Assad and his largely Alawite forces are fighting them to the death. Russia is aiding them, not out of pure benevolence of course, but because it has common interests. This I would have thought is clear.
But you still don't answer my question, what are the objectives of the US and Britain and additionally, what is their follow-up plan if they were achieve them?
But you still don't answer my question, what are the objectives of the US and Britain and additionally, what is their follow-up plan if they were achieve them?
The main reason why the Stop The War Coalition are not keen for a demo outside the embassy is for the extremely good reason that Mr Putin and colleagues are several thousand miles away, and will be delighted to take lots of no notice.
The idea is redundant, and Mr Johnson would know that if he was less keen on grandstanding, and more keen on getting to grips with the realities involved in his new position.
The idea is redundant, and Mr Johnson would know that if he was less keen on grandstanding, and more keen on getting to grips with the realities involved in his new position.
"But you still don't answer my question, what are the objectives of the US and Britain and additionally, what is their follow-up plan if they were achieve them? "
I did answer that: I said that they probably don't have a plan. And that I was unsure whether that was a good or a bad thing, given the sort of "plan" that Putin has.
I also said that the "west" (US and Britain if you like but others too) are condemned by their own side either:
By the conspiracy theorists who say that the whole thing is a CIA plot and that there is a machiavellian plan somewhere deep in Langley being slowly carried out,
By those who say we're all pathetic for not having a plan at all, compared to Mr Putin and his angels of death
And several shades in between.
The best plan for Syria is the one that stops the fighting between the rebels and the regime. But no one has one of those as far as I know.
Meanwhile, IS is about to be driven out of Mosul in Iraq, and the war against them will continue, spearheaded as it is being at the moment, by western and ME allies.
I did answer that: I said that they probably don't have a plan. And that I was unsure whether that was a good or a bad thing, given the sort of "plan" that Putin has.
I also said that the "west" (US and Britain if you like but others too) are condemned by their own side either:
By the conspiracy theorists who say that the whole thing is a CIA plot and that there is a machiavellian plan somewhere deep in Langley being slowly carried out,
By those who say we're all pathetic for not having a plan at all, compared to Mr Putin and his angels of death
And several shades in between.
The best plan for Syria is the one that stops the fighting between the rebels and the regime. But no one has one of those as far as I know.
Meanwhile, IS is about to be driven out of Mosul in Iraq, and the war against them will continue, spearheaded as it is being at the moment, by western and ME allies.
The fact is, Talbot, no one knows how to do it.
There are indications Obama is planning something.
But I don't know what that could be. Military intervention in the very short term would be the one option - either in the form of a no fly zone, or actual combat. Either of those options of course risks a wider conflict. And Syria does not need even more bombs.
Diplomatic action, punitive measures, it all sounds pathetic, but when you have people determined to do evil, it is very hard to stop them quickly.
There are indications Obama is planning something.
But I don't know what that could be. Military intervention in the very short term would be the one option - either in the form of a no fly zone, or actual combat. Either of those options of course risks a wider conflict. And Syria does not need even more bombs.
Diplomatic action, punitive measures, it all sounds pathetic, but when you have people determined to do evil, it is very hard to stop them quickly.
andy-hughes, //The main reason why the Stop The War Coalition are not keen for a demo outside the embassy is for the extremely good reason that Mr Putin and colleagues are several thousand miles away, and will be delighted to take lots of no notice. //
The US is also several thousand miles away, but that doesn't stop them demonstrating outside the American Embassy.
The US is also several thousand miles away, but that doesn't stop them demonstrating outside the American Embassy.
Ich. //The best plan for Syria is the one that stops the fighting between the rebels and the regime.//
Which is precisely what Putin and Assad are involved in doing, and if the western coalition had joined them, instead of stubbornly pursuing regime change (will they never learn?), the war would have been over long ago and many lives would have been spared.
Which is precisely what Putin and Assad are involved in doing, and if the western coalition had joined them, instead of stubbornly pursuing regime change (will they never learn?), the war would have been over long ago and many lives would have been spared.
khandro:
It is hard to see how what the Russians and the Syrians are doing now is going to "stop the fighting".
Even if Aleppo falls, that won't end the conflict. And one hates to think of the effect this will have on the survivors. Generations of embittered people growing up to hate god knows who and what.
The immediate concern of course if a humanitarian one. You seem to think the west should actually be joining in! Because while the current bombardment is the worst yet, it's just a slightly higher level of what has been going on in Syria for 5 years. You have a pretty warped idea of right and wrong if you think that these means justify any sort of end.
It is hard to see how what the Russians and the Syrians are doing now is going to "stop the fighting".
Even if Aleppo falls, that won't end the conflict. And one hates to think of the effect this will have on the survivors. Generations of embittered people growing up to hate god knows who and what.
The immediate concern of course if a humanitarian one. You seem to think the west should actually be joining in! Because while the current bombardment is the worst yet, it's just a slightly higher level of what has been going on in Syria for 5 years. You have a pretty warped idea of right and wrong if you think that these means justify any sort of end.
Putin is not just interested in removing Daesh though is he. His support for Assad goes as far as hitting legitimate opposition and must know that means the West can not give wholehearted support. That is probably deliberate in order to fool folk into thinking they have taken the high ground, but in reality it solely has prolonged conflict against Daesh.
Brexiters are wise, but even they have no panacea for all the world's ills. But I suspect most know that it is by keeping at issues that ensures attrition gradually overcomes the problems.
Brexiters are wise, but even they have no panacea for all the world's ills. But I suspect most know that it is by keeping at issues that ensures attrition gradually overcomes the problems.
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