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Allardyce - Entrapment?
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As the shock waves settle on Mr Allardyce's activities, and the results, he, and several other media and football figures are talking about 'entrapment' by The Telegraph - as though he is somehow an innocent victim of skulduggery.
My view is that he would not have been 'caught' if he was behaving properly, and the public interest justifies the methods used - and he would save some dignity if he kept quiet and let everything take its course.
What do you think?
My view is that he would not have been 'caught' if he was behaving properly, and the public interest justifies the methods used - and he would save some dignity if he kept quiet and let everything take its course.
What do you think?
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I have no sympathy whatsoever for Mr Allardyce. Perhaps his Houdini act saving Sunderland from relegation has gone to his big head (a club that was reeling from the Johnson affair). He states that it was his 'dream job'. Entrapment or not, a person in his privileged position has to be whiter than white and lead by example in ethics, discipline, motivation and...
14:42 Thu 29th Sep 2016
joogerjayne - The Telegraph didn't suddenly say, I know, let's set up Sam Alardyce, he's dum enough to fall for it ...
This is the latest in a months-long investigation into football corruption which is only just being revealed, now that they haver the evidence they needed to prove what has been going on.
This is the latest in a months-long investigation into football corruption which is only just being revealed, now that they haver the evidence they needed to prove what has been going on.
I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I don't really care who gave what backhander to whom for doing what favour. As long as people can watch or attend a football match and feel they're getting value for money*, does any of the corruption that goes on behind the scenes matter that much?
(* I personally don't. I think it's all a massive rip-off)
(* I personally don't. I think it's all a massive rip-off)
// That's the problem with entrapment: that the reporter isn't investigating corrupton, he's creating it //
Just so, jno.
The argument is that he was shown to be capable of doing wrong.
But he HADN'T done anything wrong.
I can foresee a day when I'm driving at 65 on the motorway, and I'm stopped for speeding because I was "capable of" breaking the speed limit.
Just so, jno.
The argument is that he was shown to be capable of doing wrong.
But he HADN'T done anything wrong.
I can foresee a day when I'm driving at 65 on the motorway, and I'm stopped for speeding because I was "capable of" breaking the speed limit.
Ludwig - //I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I don't really care who gave what backhander to whom for doing what favour. As long as people can watch or attend a football match and feel they're getting value for money*, does any of the corruption that goes on behind the scenes matter that much?
(* I personally don't. I think it's all a massive rip-off) //
Corruption in sport is an insidious thing, it leaks into other aspects of society if left unchecked.
The notion that law-breaking is OK if everyone gets to enjoy a game is not one that I can agree with - and I would not wish it to be seen as being acceptable for a generation of young people coming into sport, and society as whole.
Sport does not exist in a vacuum - highly paid footballers already exist in a world where they think they can behave as they please - adding to that notion has to be a bad thing.
(* I personally don't. I think it's all a massive rip-off) //
Corruption in sport is an insidious thing, it leaks into other aspects of society if left unchecked.
The notion that law-breaking is OK if everyone gets to enjoy a game is not one that I can agree with - and I would not wish it to be seen as being acceptable for a generation of young people coming into sport, and society as whole.
Sport does not exist in a vacuum - highly paid footballers already exist in a world where they think they can behave as they please - adding to that notion has to be a bad thing.
RandyMarsh - //Come on, it was hardly bleating.
You may see him as a rich man trying to become richer but i bet most of football see him as big sam who has been a dckhead. //
I don't actually see him that way - as I have pointed out in my posts when the story broke, I think his actions are more about personal affirmation and less about money.
// You don't like footballers and being connected with the game much though, do you? //
I am supremely indifferent to football as a rule - but I don't like bad and illegal behaviour from anyone - that is not limited to footballers.
You may see him as a rich man trying to become richer but i bet most of football see him as big sam who has been a dckhead. //
I don't actually see him that way - as I have pointed out in my posts when the story broke, I think his actions are more about personal affirmation and less about money.
// You don't like footballers and being connected with the game much though, do you? //
I am supremely indifferent to football as a rule - but I don't like bad and illegal behaviour from anyone - that is not limited to footballers.
joggerjayne - //The argument is that he was shown to be capable of doing wrong.
But he HADN'T done anything wrong.
I can foresee a day when I'm driving at 65 on the motorway, and I'm stopped for speeding because I was "capable of" breaking the speed limit. //
Mr Allardyce was not fired for what he did wrong, he was fired for his lack of judgement - talking about illegal actions to complete strangers, and piggy-backing a personal financial deal off his new appointment, and then being rude about his predecessors and his employers - that is why he was sacked.
But he HADN'T done anything wrong.
I can foresee a day when I'm driving at 65 on the motorway, and I'm stopped for speeding because I was "capable of" breaking the speed limit. //
Mr Allardyce was not fired for what he did wrong, he was fired for his lack of judgement - talking about illegal actions to complete strangers, and piggy-backing a personal financial deal off his new appointment, and then being rude about his predecessors and his employers - that is why he was sacked.
// he was fired for his lack of judgement //
And how did that lack of judgment arise?
The Telegraph set up a fake situation, and goaded him into it.
They did not spend all that Telegraph money setting up a fake situation in the hope that Sam A would do, or say, nothing wrong, and that they would have no story.
They wanted a story. They were willing to invest a lot of time and money to get the story. They would have to be pretty sure of coming back with the goods.
They had to make jolly sure that they got Sam A to slip up.
They were clever. They were cunning. They were underhand, deceitful, manipulative, and malicious. And yet ... they come out as the good guys!!
How does that work??
And how did that lack of judgment arise?
The Telegraph set up a fake situation, and goaded him into it.
They did not spend all that Telegraph money setting up a fake situation in the hope that Sam A would do, or say, nothing wrong, and that they would have no story.
They wanted a story. They were willing to invest a lot of time and money to get the story. They would have to be pretty sure of coming back with the goods.
They had to make jolly sure that they got Sam A to slip up.
They were clever. They were cunning. They were underhand, deceitful, manipulative, and malicious. And yet ... they come out as the good guys!!
How does that work??
Nope - can't agree with you there Jayne.
So Mr England manager, we want to discuss bending the rules of your employer - what do you have to say about that?
Mr Allardyce -"Nothing .. goodbye."
It's not difficult not to be 'entrapped' - just be honest and aware of who you are, where you are, and who you are talking to.
This includes not blagging off to complete strangers.
So Mr England manager, we want to discuss bending the rules of your employer - what do you have to say about that?
Mr Allardyce -"Nothing .. goodbye."
It's not difficult not to be 'entrapped' - just be honest and aware of who you are, where you are, and who you are talking to.
This includes not blagging off to complete strangers.
It is in my opinion investigative journalism .
It's safe to say that there is corruption in football of one king or another
Take the whole world cup saga and what we now know about people paying and receiving bungs .
Given that football is such a popular ( heavens knows why ) sport , the ordinary punter who pays his hard earned, to go and watch from club level right up to international level, is entitled to know what is transpiring in the game .
As it's been said this guy would have been paid 3 milion pounds per year .
Very few people are in that lucky / privilege situation .
Yet he wasn't satisfied with that , letting greed drive him to try and bolster his bank balance , with a few more pounds .
Now he has been caught out , he is waving the Entrapment card .
Entrapment for purely unjustified reasons is wholly wrong - Entrapment in the public interest is wholly justified
It's safe to say that there is corruption in football of one king or another
Take the whole world cup saga and what we now know about people paying and receiving bungs .
Given that football is such a popular ( heavens knows why ) sport , the ordinary punter who pays his hard earned, to go and watch from club level right up to international level, is entitled to know what is transpiring in the game .
As it's been said this guy would have been paid 3 milion pounds per year .
Very few people are in that lucky / privilege situation .
Yet he wasn't satisfied with that , letting greed drive him to try and bolster his bank balance , with a few more pounds .
Now he has been caught out , he is waving the Entrapment card .
Entrapment for purely unjustified reasons is wholly wrong - Entrapment in the public interest is wholly justified
RandyMarsh - //How much safer are the public today than they were last week? //
Corruption is insidious in society, it's no use turning a blind eye because sport is not a matter of national security.
If we accept that this is OK because it's a football manager, how long before we accept it when it's an MP, or a member of the security services?
Corruption does not belong in a civilised society.
Corruption is insidious in society, it's no use turning a blind eye because sport is not a matter of national security.
If we accept that this is OK because it's a football manager, how long before we accept it when it's an MP, or a member of the security services?
Corruption does not belong in a civilised society.
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