Now Should We Ban The Burka?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2914727/Police-hunt-bank-robber-disguised-BURKA-sunglasses-high-street-raid.html

/// 'Were you in The Parade (in Oadby) this morning? Did you see anyone matching his description or do you have information about the incident? ///

Man/woman dressed in a Burka in Leicester, it will be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

[hc4361]

I most certainly am not defending women being forced to wear the burka. Either being forced to wear it or not to wear it is very wrong. Everyone should be allowed to wear whatever they like, including the burka.

Domestic violence and oppression goes on in all cultures, religions and races and forcing a woman to wear a burka or stay indoors is oppressive and abusive, but surely such a woman has a better life if she can go out? She may see that other women in her community wear a hijab or go bare headed and there is hope that she may find the strength to do something about it.
A woman in an abusive relationship kept behind closed doors is in the worst situation of all.

[Gromit]

Talbot,

You accost women in the street and then you accuse others of being misogynist.

[-Talbot-]

Are you drinking or something, Gromit?

[sp1814]

Women should not be allowed to wear the burkha in a bank, or anywhere where identification is required.

However, I am uncomfortable with an outright ban in public. I think the same guidelines that apply to motorcyclist should apply to the burkha - common sense needs to prevail.

[RATTER15]

Gromit, you really are now behaving in a bazaar manner, go and have a lie down.

[naomi24]

hc, We know domestic violence and oppression goes on in all cultures, but that doesn’t make it acceptable. Rather than accepting that some Muslim women are forced to wear the burka, and justifying that by saying “surely such a woman has a better life if she can go out?”, we should be telling those men in no uncertain terms that they are wrong and what they are doing is completely and utterly unacceptable in any civilised society. It is that culture that needs to change. Women shouldn’t be obliged to accept rules imposed upon them by men and they certainly shouldn't be expected to be grateful that they are allowed to go out!

[sp1814]

The problem with a public ban is that it puts us in the same boat as those who force women into the burkha.

We would not be saying, "Hey Muslim women - we're giving you the freedom of choice that Western (and most other Muslim) women enjoy"

What we are actually saying is, "You are not allowed out like that". In a strange way, rather than giving more freedom to these women, we're actually going to curtail it.

[Gromit]

Talbot,
Well your mask has slipped.
Resorting to personal abuse.

[hc4361]

But you want some women to accept rules about what they can wear from the state!

[sp1814]

RATTER15

You have been the victim of a random homophone attack.

Unless you actually meant that Gromit was behaving as if he was working in a street bazaar.

;-)

[-Talbot-]

You are the one doing the abusing.

Do you make a habit out of approaching strangers and interogating them about their dress?
It seems very rude and ungentlemanly.
It could also be construded as threatening behaviour..


You accost women in the street



You appear to have lost your marbles, Gromit. If it isn't drink then what is it that has got you making up these spurious accusations?

[naomi24]

hc, No, they can wear what they like as long as whatever they wear exposes their faces.

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

/// It's anyone in national costume so it's not our fault if the English don't have a dagger as part of their national dress [whatever that is .] ///

Why should having a national dress give one the right to carry a lethal weapon, perhaps we should consider banning national dresses?

[RATTER15]

Sp, so does he not work in a street bazaar? how bizarre!

[THECORBYLOON]

Why is there a need to see anyone's face at all times when out in public?

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

/// SLAPSHOT do they have bouncers on the doors at banks? If a robber wants to wear a crash helmet he will, regardless of bank policy. ///

No but they would be in their right to put into action certain security measures.

[RandyMarsh]

I am defending someones right to wear what they want.

You do not know each woman who wears a burka personally, you cannot say what they want to wear anymore than i can.

[THECORBYLOON]

The security measures worked in the case you gave in the OP.

[hc4361]

naomi, you want to ban the niqab too?

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// I once saw a raid on a bank, and the criminals had baseball bats, and masks.
It never occurred to me that baseball should be banned as a result. ///

And a person who gives such silly analogies as this is an AB Mod, who's job it is to scrutinise our posts.