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Despite the case in Cornwall going against the Bulls, another couple want to break anti-discrimination laws. Why are people like this so terribly interested in what people do it bed ?
Despite the case in Cornwall going against the Bulls, another couple want to break anti-discrimination laws. Why are people like this so terribly interested in what people do it bed ?
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When you are talking about somebody's home (complete with three kids) doubling up as a B+B, it seems to me that they should be able to accept or refuse anybody they want. for whatever reason they want. This is just another example of the gay lobby trying to force absolutely everybody to see things their way.
14:39 Thu 20th Mar 2014
It seems to me that the Key West resort referred to in Emmies link are being discriminatory in pretty much exactly the same way that those christian B/Bs are. As this article from Pink News highlights, they appear to be breaking the discrimination and are "ripe" for a challenge.
They may believe that because they are a private members club, they are exempt from anti-discrimination laws, but that is not my understanding.
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They may believe that because they are a private members club, they are exempt from anti-discrimination laws, but that is not my understanding.
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SP, //when a person of faith uses their religion to deny goods and services to gay people, they are using their faith as an excuse.//
As you are no doubt aware, I have no time for religion, but I am not a blind bigot and I don't criticise it without good reason. I try to understand what causes people to believe as they do and I really don't think that the Christians - or Muslims - who are anti-gay are what can be considered bigots in the usual sense of the word. Their belief systems guide their thoughts, their opinions, and in some instances the whole of their education. In short, they are brainwashed. Therefore in their own minds they have a valid reason for utterly rejecting homosexuality - God utterly rejects it and they must do likewise. Homosexuality is something that they simply do not understand. I have a Christian friend who is convinced that all homosexuals are paedophiles, and another who has been told by her church that her homosexual son is committing a crime worse than paedophilia. Religion breeds ignorance. Menstruating women, according to the bible, are deemed to be unclean - but unlike homosexuality, menstruation isn't considered to be an 'abomination' and the penalty for menstruating isn't death. There really can be no comparison.
As you are no doubt aware, I have no time for religion, but I am not a blind bigot and I don't criticise it without good reason. I try to understand what causes people to believe as they do and I really don't think that the Christians - or Muslims - who are anti-gay are what can be considered bigots in the usual sense of the word. Their belief systems guide their thoughts, their opinions, and in some instances the whole of their education. In short, they are brainwashed. Therefore in their own minds they have a valid reason for utterly rejecting homosexuality - God utterly rejects it and they must do likewise. Homosexuality is something that they simply do not understand. I have a Christian friend who is convinced that all homosexuals are paedophiles, and another who has been told by her church that her homosexual son is committing a crime worse than paedophilia. Religion breeds ignorance. Menstruating women, according to the bible, are deemed to be unclean - but unlike homosexuality, menstruation isn't considered to be an 'abomination' and the penalty for menstruating isn't death. There really can be no comparison.
naomi24
I understand what you're saying, I really do...but I think I should make something clear. I absolutely do not believe that people of faith are by default homophobic. That would be far too simplistic. There are Christians, Jews and Muslims who are virulently anti-gay, and there are Christians, Jews and Muslims who accepting.
Likewise there are people who have never set foot in church, synogogue or mosque who are hideously homophobic.
I understand what you're saying, I really do...but I think I should make something clear. I absolutely do not believe that people of faith are by default homophobic. That would be far too simplistic. There are Christians, Jews and Muslims who are virulently anti-gay, and there are Christians, Jews and Muslims who accepting.
Likewise there are people who have never set foot in church, synogogue or mosque who are hideously homophobic.
"Is it really worth a campaign? You're not going to change the world. Come and stay in Brighton instead. Much jollier."
And you say this without any apparent sense of irony. Why is it,do you think, that people are so much more accepting of gay people nowadays? or of women, come to that. Because of campaigns and campaigners who yes, changed the world. In the process allowing for places like Brighton to thrive.
To say give up, do nothing is the council of despair.
And you say this without any apparent sense of irony. Why is it,do you think, that people are so much more accepting of gay people nowadays? or of women, come to that. Because of campaigns and campaigners who yes, changed the world. In the process allowing for places like Brighton to thrive.
To say give up, do nothing is the council of despair.
Discrimination should be countered wherever it is found. I agree with you that the big battles have been won, but, using the same military analogy, that does not mean the war is over.
It really is very very simple. If you wish to run a business from your home by inviting paying guests in, it is unlawful to discriminate based upon gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation .You do not get to impose your religiously derived beliefs upon others. If you cannot accept that, then you need to find another business model.
But the same also applies in reverse. self style gay bars or gay resorts should not be allowed to discriminate against straight customers either.
It really is very very simple. If you wish to run a business from your home by inviting paying guests in, it is unlawful to discriminate based upon gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation .You do not get to impose your religiously derived beliefs upon others. If you cannot accept that, then you need to find another business model.
But the same also applies in reverse. self style gay bars or gay resorts should not be allowed to discriminate against straight customers either.
jj have you read the other posts
> LazyGun
If Hotels are advertising themselves as "gay only" or "men only", then the EHRC should investigate and prosecute in much the same way as they have with the christian B&B owners.
To attempt to claim that they will lose business or that their environment will become less safe is the same kind of argument that christian B&B owners have tried. They are equally unacceptable.
You see this argument everywhere though. From the same reference as yours, Pink News, there was a comment piece arguing about whether straights should be allowed into self-designated Gay clubs, and the commentator thought that wrong, as did many of the (presumably) gay respondents in the comments section.
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09:06 Fri 21st Mar 2014
> LazyGun
If Hotels are advertising themselves as "gay only" or "men only", then the EHRC should investigate and prosecute in much the same way as they have with the christian B&B owners.
To attempt to claim that they will lose business or that their environment will become less safe is the same kind of argument that christian B&B owners have tried. They are equally unacceptable.
You see this argument everywhere though. From the same reference as yours, Pink News, there was a comment piece arguing about whether straights should be allowed into self-designated Gay clubs, and the commentator thought that wrong, as did many of the (presumably) gay respondents in the comments section.
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09:06 Fri 21st Mar 2014
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sp1814
It's interesting to hear people criticising gay people for lacking empathy with bigots.
And how bigots are now the persecuted ones.
And I really do mean bigots...because when a person of faith uses their religion to deny goods and services to gay people, they are using their faith as an excuse.
sp1814 From reading your replies & statements regarding B&B owners & also Christians in general I am sorry to tell you that whether you know it or not you yourself are without a doubt a bigot.
sp1814
It's interesting to hear people criticising gay people for lacking empathy with bigots.
And how bigots are now the persecuted ones.
And I really do mean bigots...because when a person of faith uses their religion to deny goods and services to gay people, they are using their faith as an excuse.
sp1814 From reading your replies & statements regarding B&B owners & also Christians in general I am sorry to tell you that whether you know it or not you yourself are without a doubt a bigot.
WR
I am intolerant of bigots, but I am not intolerant of anyone because of their religious beliefs. I don't think that's what I've expressed here.
I think my outlook is somewhat different from yours. You have compared modern life to the fall of the Roman Empire. I see it very differently. Unlike the 50s, gay people don't have to live in fear of arrest, followed social and financial ruin.
We're now living in momentous times, where gay relationships are seen (by the majority of the country) as being on an equal footing to straight relationships.
That's a pretty fundamental shift in perceptions over a startlingly short period.
Of course, some people are going to take time to adjust...and some won't adjust at all...but in general, I am looking forward to what comes next.
I am intolerant of bigots, but I am not intolerant of anyone because of their religious beliefs. I don't think that's what I've expressed here.
I think my outlook is somewhat different from yours. You have compared modern life to the fall of the Roman Empire. I see it very differently. Unlike the 50s, gay people don't have to live in fear of arrest, followed social and financial ruin.
We're now living in momentous times, where gay relationships are seen (by the majority of the country) as being on an equal footing to straight relationships.
That's a pretty fundamental shift in perceptions over a startlingly short period.
Of course, some people are going to take time to adjust...and some won't adjust at all...but in general, I am looking forward to what comes next.
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