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Gromit
AOG
/// The reports and your posts were to the allegation that muslim staff at M&S were allowed by company policy to refuse to serve customers. ///
I never said that and neither did the Mail,
So in your own words, "that is not true".
However what the Mail reported as M&S saying is this.
*** We regret that in the case highlighted today we were not following our own policy. ***
/// The Telegraph, the original source of the story, used a quote from a spokes person, which was clearly used to deceive the readers. The quote was clearly out of context and I highlighted that earlier in the thread. ///
Even if it was to deceive it's readers, (for what reason only you can imagine), they quoted what that spokesperson said, which unless that person was lying, was not by any stretch of the imagination 'lying'.
/// You can waffle on about pacifists and how idylic the 1950s were all you like, but the simple fact is you were taken in by lies because you wanted to believe it was true. ///
Oh so when I was enjoying my 1950's England it was because I was just being lied to, and that it was all just a mirage?
What a very strange life you must lead Gromit constantly going through life thinking that everyone is lying to you.
AOG
/// The reports and your posts were to the allegation that muslim staff at M&S were allowed by company policy to refuse to serve customers. ///
I never said that and neither did the Mail,
So in your own words, "that is not true".
However what the Mail reported as M&S saying is this.
*** We regret that in the case highlighted today we were not following our own policy. ***
/// The Telegraph, the original source of the story, used a quote from a spokes person, which was clearly used to deceive the readers. The quote was clearly out of context and I highlighted that earlier in the thread. ///
Even if it was to deceive it's readers, (for what reason only you can imagine), they quoted what that spokesperson said, which unless that person was lying, was not by any stretch of the imagination 'lying'.
/// You can waffle on about pacifists and how idylic the 1950s were all you like, but the simple fact is you were taken in by lies because you wanted to believe it was true. ///
Oh so when I was enjoying my 1950's England it was because I was just being lied to, and that it was all just a mirage?
What a very strange life you must lead Gromit constantly going through life thinking that everyone is lying to you.
aog
/Is a Muslim refusing to serve a customer with alcohol any different to a Christian couple refusing to admit two gays to their hotel? /
Yes
One is an employee trying to conform to an agreement made with their employer who mistakenly put them in that situation
The others are business owners trying to run it illegally
/Is a Muslim refusing to serve a customer with alcohol any different to a Christian couple refusing to admit two gays to their hotel? /
Yes
One is an employee trying to conform to an agreement made with their employer who mistakenly put them in that situation
The others are business owners trying to run it illegally
AOG
// /// The reports and your posts were to the allegation that muslim staff at M&S were allowed by company policy to refuse to serve customers. ///
I never said that and neither did the Mail.
Yes it did. And your answers were based on that lie. You wondered if till staff could refuse to sell johnnies and tobacco.
Daily Mail
// M&S faces boycott as it lets Muslim staff refuse to sell alcohol or pork
Marks & Spencer's policy applies to Muslim staff in more than 700 stores //
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// What a very strange life you must lead Gromit constantly going through life thinking that everyone is lying to you. //
Not everyone, but I am constantly questioning information that is fed at me because quite often, this case is a good example, I am being lied to. I would sooner be overly suspicious than to be gullible and swallow all the lies that I read and hear.
// /// The reports and your posts were to the allegation that muslim staff at M&S were allowed by company policy to refuse to serve customers. ///
I never said that and neither did the Mail.
Yes it did. And your answers were based on that lie. You wondered if till staff could refuse to sell johnnies and tobacco.
Daily Mail
// M&S faces boycott as it lets Muslim staff refuse to sell alcohol or pork
Marks & Spencer's policy applies to Muslim staff in more than 700 stores //
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// What a very strange life you must lead Gromit constantly going through life thinking that everyone is lying to you. //
Not everyone, but I am constantly questioning information that is fed at me because quite often, this case is a good example, I am being lied to. I would sooner be overly suspicious than to be gullible and swallow all the lies that I read and hear.
For those of a more sensitive nature and who do not wish to read Daily Mail/Telegraph 'non stories'.
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Always willing to please AOG
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Always willing to please AOG
It does clarify. But it's a different claim from the one the Daily Mail made:
"Policy [of asking shoppers to wait if a Muslim cashier refuses to serve them alcohol] applies to Muslim workers in more than 700 stores" -- no it doesn't, it was never a policy, just one case in just one store because of the actual policy (of keeping workers away from roles they don't want to do for ethical or religious reasons) being wrongly applied. Can you not see that this is a completely different story from the one published in the Guardian?
"Policy [of asking shoppers to wait if a Muslim cashier refuses to serve them alcohol] applies to Muslim workers in more than 700 stores" -- no it doesn't, it was never a policy, just one case in just one store because of the actual policy (of keeping workers away from roles they don't want to do for ethical or religious reasons) being wrongly applied. Can you not see that this is a completely different story from the one published in the Guardian?
M&S are moving muslim staff to clothes - not good enuf as it still causes a precedent.
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/do I gather that M&S have backtracked, then, please???/
boxtops
they never had anything to 'backtrack' as some of us suspected from the start
they offer staff with issues over certain products the opportunity to work in a role that doesn't involve handling them
This policy isn't intended to affect customer service
Clearly this particular store got its staffing wrong in this instance
boxtops
they never had anything to 'backtrack' as some of us suspected from the start
they offer staff with issues over certain products the opportunity to work in a role that doesn't involve handling them
This policy isn't intended to affect customer service
Clearly this particular store got its staffing wrong in this instance
Gromit
Wasn't it reported that a Muslim till operator refused to sell an alcholic drink to a M&S customer?
Yes it did. And my answers were based on that truth. I then wondered if till staff could refuse to sell johnnies and tobacco (except I used the word contraceptives and tobacco products)
Here are the actual words
*** Shopping in a supermarket, is all going to get rather confusing if this type of thing catches on, Non smokers refusing to serve tobacco products, Catholics refusing to server contraceptives, vegetarians refusing to sell meat, etc, etc. ***.
/// I am being lied to. I would sooner be overly suspicious than to be gullible and swallow all the lies that I read and hear. ///
You too Gromit don't anyone these days tell the truth, there was a lot of this around in the 50's so I am constantly told by those who were not even a twinkle in their dad's eyes back then.
Wasn't it reported that a Muslim till operator refused to sell an alcholic drink to a M&S customer?
Yes it did. And my answers were based on that truth. I then wondered if till staff could refuse to sell johnnies and tobacco (except I used the word contraceptives and tobacco products)
Here are the actual words
*** Shopping in a supermarket, is all going to get rather confusing if this type of thing catches on, Non smokers refusing to serve tobacco products, Catholics refusing to server contraceptives, vegetarians refusing to sell meat, etc, etc. ***.
/// I am being lied to. I would sooner be overly suspicious than to be gullible and swallow all the lies that I read and hear. ///
You too Gromit don't anyone these days tell the truth, there was a lot of this around in the 50's so I am constantly told by those who were not even a twinkle in their dad's eyes back then.
The fact that a customer was refused was never at issue. The lies came when they claimed it was policy for them to be allowed to refuse in all their 700 stores. It was not the policy in any stores. One branch made a mistake.
Speaking of lying, I remember one ABer trying to pass himself off as having fought the Nazis in WWII. After being asked by several people to clarify that post, he never did.
Speaking of lying, I remember one ABer trying to pass himself off as having fought the Nazis in WWII. After being asked by several people to clarify that post, he never did.
/Speaking of lying, I remember one ABer trying to pass himself off as having fought the Nazis in WWII. After being asked by several people to clarify that post, he never did. /
To be fair Gromit
It must have been frustrating to spend a boyhood during WW2 with no sweeties or oranges, but dreaming of flying a Spitfire against the Luftwaffe
Only to find that it all finishes and all that's available is being conscripted into some rat-@rse National Service job
Like training for years and only getting a place in the B team
It could make a person permanently frustrated, resentful and twisted.
To be fair Gromit
It must have been frustrating to spend a boyhood during WW2 with no sweeties or oranges, but dreaming of flying a Spitfire against the Luftwaffe
Only to find that it all finishes and all that's available is being conscripted into some rat-@rse National Service job
Like training for years and only getting a place in the B team
It could make a person permanently frustrated, resentful and twisted.
Gromit
/// Speaking of lying, I remember one ABer trying to pass himself off as having fought the Nazis in WWII. After being asked by several people to clarify that post, he never did. ///
It must be catching, who was that Gromit?
Please provide us with the proof, or that ABer may accuse you of lying, if he is still on AB.
/// Speaking of lying, I remember one ABer trying to pass himself off as having fought the Nazis in WWII. After being asked by several people to clarify that post, he never did. ///
It must be catching, who was that Gromit?
Please provide us with the proof, or that ABer may accuse you of lying, if he is still on AB.
I quite like the exquisite splitting of hairs on this one, allowing it to run and run.
Back in the real world, if you wanted to employ somebody to work in a food shop, couldn't you reasonably expect them to be prepared to handle the stuff you sell. if, at the interview, they said; oh, by the way I can't be touching bottles of booze/bacon butties.... job application unsuccessful. if they say nothing but get bolshie when on the job, get sacked for not doing what they are paid to do.
Back in the real world, if you wanted to employ somebody to work in a food shop, couldn't you reasonably expect them to be prepared to handle the stuff you sell. if, at the interview, they said; oh, by the way I can't be touching bottles of booze/bacon butties.... job application unsuccessful. if they say nothing but get bolshie when on the job, get sacked for not doing what they are paid to do.
> The lies came when they claimed it was policy for them to be allowed to refuse in all their 700 stores. It was not the policy in any stores. One branch made a mistake.
As I understand the situation: in any M&S store in the country, a worker who has previously indicated their unwillingness to handle pork or alcohol may be asked and agree to serve on the grocery till and, if a customer then attempts to buy pork or alcohol at that till, the worker may refuse to serve that customer. That is the outcome of the policy if not the policy itself, isn't it?
As I understand the situation: in any M&S store in the country, a worker who has previously indicated their unwillingness to handle pork or alcohol may be asked and agree to serve on the grocery till and, if a customer then attempts to buy pork or alcohol at that till, the worker may refuse to serve that customer. That is the outcome of the policy if not the policy itself, isn't it?
Anotheoldgit 09:48 Mon 11th Nov 2013
I wonder if our Gromit did actually fight the Nazis?
No I doubt if he actually lived through those times. well I did and I can only be extremely thankful that the likes of him wasn't around during that time.
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Kromovaracun 09:57 Mon 11th Nov 2013
AOG, did you fight the Nazis?
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sp1814 11:22 Mon 11th Nov 2013
- so what regiment did you fight in during WWII?
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Zeuhl 12:38 Mon 11th Nov 2013
So no denial then - just weasely evasion
aog would need to be at least 86 years of age in order to have taken an active part in WW2
If he is, and did; why not say so?
I wonder if our Gromit did actually fight the Nazis?
No I doubt if he actually lived through those times. well I did and I can only be extremely thankful that the likes of him wasn't around during that time.
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Kromovaracun 09:57 Mon 11th Nov 2013
AOG, did you fight the Nazis?
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sp1814 11:22 Mon 11th Nov 2013
- so what regiment did you fight in during WWII?
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Zeuhl 12:38 Mon 11th Nov 2013
So no denial then - just weasely evasion
aog would need to be at least 86 years of age in order to have taken an active part in WW2
If he is, and did; why not say so?
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