Segregation In Universities.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524183/Female-students-banned-speaking-Islam-seminar-University-Leicester.html

Over the past days we have heard much of the segregation that once took place in South Africa, but now we see another type of segregation taking place in some of our universities, why is this allowed to take place?

[sp1814]

AOG

Possible lack of oversight by the organising committee or the university itself, hence:

"A spokesman for the university said: 'Segregated events are not in line with Queen Mary's values or equality policy. 'We will be raising this with our students' union as this should extend to student society-organised events with external speakers such as this one.'"

I don't think from that statement that the uni knew what was going to take place before the event actually happened, so perhaps it wasn't a matter of it allowing it?

[Gromit]

It shouldn't be. The University do not allow it, but this was a student arranged event. The rules will probably be tightened to include anyone using the premises not allowed to segregate audiences.

It does not appear to be all Universities, just a few. It should be nipped in the bud now the Sunday Times has highlighted the problem.

[LazyGun]

2 threads on this topic already;

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1298736.html

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Religion-and-Spirituality/Question1298215.html

The important thing is that awareness has been raised about the issue, and UUK have been forced to retract their guidance until they have had a consultation with the EHRC, which they should have done in the first place.

Yasmin Alibi-Brown in the Independent has been particularly vocal about this issue, and rightly so;
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-talibanisation-of-british-universities-has-got-to-stop-9006322.html

[emmie]

i posted this already, think you contributed....

[emmie]

LG first link to my question, and to answer its allowed because the politicians are spineless cretins, who duck any difficult matter, they should get involved and then tell the University bodies to stop this nonsense in it's tracks.

[emmie]

Yasmin Alihabi Brown or whatever her name is, commented on Matt Wrights show once when the discussion got a bit heated, "you people", the rest of the panel being white, so i don't take much heed of what she says at any point now. There was considerably more to their discussions but i can't recall what else, it was a while back, however no one chided her for her comments, and she did mean to point out colour.
However this issue isn't about colour but cultural, religious differences and some believing they can do this, the unis, schools should never allow it,

[LazyGun]

I think all the politicians from the parties have condemned this idea - That acknowledging freedom to practice religion is more important than recognition of equal rights and gender equality, and that anyway "its all just a big fuss over nothing because there are mixed seats available so what's everyone complaining about?".

Some of the further examples of gender segregation, most especially from the Univ. of Leicester, which showed gender segregation with the women being relegated to the back, or other examples where women were not being allowed to raise a question directly, unlike their male colleagues, but had to submit the question in written form is simply unacceptable in institutes of higher education in a country committed to equality, in a public institution of a secular state.

Its not the politicians so much; Its University administrators running scared over a possible legal challenge and its costs, and frightened that by applying our laws they might scare away valuable sources of income in foreign students.

[emmie]

it might not be the politicians, but they are the ones with their proverbial heads up their rear ends, they don't look what's around them, nor do they act when needs must, and they should be very vocal about this, it won't be tolerated, this country has made massive inroads in all areas of equality, let them not start going backwards because some want the genders separate, and for those apologists i have nothing but scorn.
The fact remains that this is not one incident, one student leader said it was quite common, if so why?

[anotheoldgit]

/// 2 threads on this topic already; ///

/// i posted this already, think you contributed.... ///

Is this really important enough to be pointed out, there are many threads entered in all the various topic localities on similar subjects.

This shouldn't stop any ABer from entering similar ones especially if they have now become topical.

Noticed LazyGun that you didn't take the trouble to point out to emmie that you posted on this first.

[Zacs-Master]

spineless politicians?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523588/Universities-cave-sex-segregation-Cameron-condemns-demands-radical-preachers.html

[LazyGun]

@AoG I did not notify Emmie that "I had posted on this first" because I had originally posted in R&S whereas Emmie posted in News/Current Affairs - and anyway, thats not the point of notifying someone, to claim dibs on the topic- the point of notifying someone is that they might find of interest other responses to the same topic, which is presumably why they posted in the first place.

You on the other hand posted your thread, with almost the same title, in the News Section,so it seemed worth providing links to the other 2 threads on the same topic.

[emmie]

others seem quite fond of pointing out same topic threads, but i didn't do it for that purpose. I thought you contributed, made your own points on my thread, and i believe i have posted or contributed to others about the same topic, though for no reason i can't find it.

[emmie]

let us hope that Cameron's words carry some weight.

[emmie]

mostly they are, if he actually said something it was not before time.

[emmie]

very interesting

http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2013/12/10/sex-segregation-in-uk-universities-a-step-forward-for-the-muslim-religious-right/

[Zacs-Master]

'let us hope that Cameron's words carry some weight.'

Unbelievable. You condemn them for not speaking out and when they do, you question their authority.

[emmie]

because mostly they don't get involved, preferring instead to take a back seat, in matters like this, if he actually spoke out against it, then i hope those who caused this mess take note. That we have been bending over backwards to accommodate people from different cultures, and some so called ethnic minorities, some of their ideologies are abhorrent, and may one say not something that should be tolerated, segregation in universities and schools, apart from the obvious single sex schools, is not right, because someone's idea of gender roles is skewed.
we have come a long way down the road of equality, and as someone pointed out, supposing a speaker had come in and said he didn't want the races to sit together, black and white segregated, that would not be tolerated at any point, i don't see this as being any different.

[naomi24]

//so perhaps it wasn't a matter of it allowing it?//

//….there had been at least 40 cases within the last year where religious speakers demanded — and got — segregated university audiences.//

…. 40 cases within the last year – clearly nothing new.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/women-must-complain-over-college-segregation-9007717.html

[emmie]

no nothing new, some have blinkers on. and will support or at least not condemn this outright.