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Why when some are addressing a growing concern among our ethnic minorities they first find the need to somehow dilute the facts by also accusing the majority whites?
/// Mr Best said: 'Child sexual exploitation is not a crime that is committed by one ethnic minority group.
'We have done some analysis locally and nationally and it's fair to say the biggest offending group when it comes to child sexual exploitation is white males.
'However with the high profile cases that there have been nationally, there also does appear to be a worrying trend in relation to the number of cases involving Asian males and that needs to be addressed.
'We shouldn't be afraid to say that. ///
Then why doesn't he just come out and say so without first finding the need to involve others?
Seems like he
Why when some are addressing a growing concern among our ethnic minorities they first find the need to somehow dilute the facts by also accusing the majority whites?
/// Mr Best said: 'Child sexual exploitation is not a crime that is committed by one ethnic minority group.
'We have done some analysis locally and nationally and it's fair to say the biggest offending group when it comes to child sexual exploitation is white males.
'However with the high profile cases that there have been nationally, there also does appear to be a worrying trend in relation to the number of cases involving Asian males and that needs to be addressed.
'We shouldn't be afraid to say that. ///
Then why doesn't he just come out and say so without first finding the need to involve others?
Seems like he
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Perhaps the warning is intended to inform the public rather than scare them.
If parents are only wary of Pakistani men then they are leaving their children vunerable to the majority of white predators.
It is all about perceptions. If those are wrong, you make mistakes when trying to protect yourself and your children. If you believe Asian taxi drivers are the only ones doing this, then your perceptions are wrong.
If parents are only wary of Pakistani men then they are leaving their children vunerable to the majority of white predators.
It is all about perceptions. If those are wrong, you make mistakes when trying to protect yourself and your children. If you believe Asian taxi drivers are the only ones doing this, then your perceptions are wrong.
I think the statement is made in the interests of appropriate balance.
To state that the problem is confined to Asian males would be to infer that it is some sort of genetic abnormality, whereas from their perspective, the attitude is more a matter of inherited cultural attitudes.
In matters like this, the media needs to resist the temptation to assign appalling behaviour to minority groups based on ethnicity - that leads to hysteria and vigilantieism, which is in no-one's interest.
To state that the problem is confined to Asian males would be to infer that it is some sort of genetic abnormality, whereas from their perspective, the attitude is more a matter of inherited cultural attitudes.
In matters like this, the media needs to resist the temptation to assign appalling behaviour to minority groups based on ethnicity - that leads to hysteria and vigilantieism, which is in no-one's interest.
andy-hughes
I think the statement is made in the interests of appropriate balance.
/// To state that the problem is confined to Asian males would be to infer that it is some sort of genetic abnormality, whereas from their perspective, the attitude is more a matter of inherited cultural attitudes. ///
No Andy he would have no need to state that the problem was confined to Asian males per-se that would be completely out of order, but in this particular case it was a proven fact that it was.
If those who had been convicted had been white, then he would have also been wrong to say that the problem was confined to white males, as it would to mention Asians, when they are not under discussion.
That is the point I am making.
/// In matters like this, the media needs to resist the temptation to assign appalling behaviour to minority groups based on ethnicity - that leads to hysteria and vigilantieism, which is in no-one's interest. ///
I disagree if it happens to be ethnic groups that have been found guilty of committing an offence, no matter what, it should not be covered up or swept under the carpet in case any other group takes to the streets etc.this practice is not operated when whites are convicted of crimes, so why should other groups be so protected?
I think the statement is made in the interests of appropriate balance.
/// To state that the problem is confined to Asian males would be to infer that it is some sort of genetic abnormality, whereas from their perspective, the attitude is more a matter of inherited cultural attitudes. ///
No Andy he would have no need to state that the problem was confined to Asian males per-se that would be completely out of order, but in this particular case it was a proven fact that it was.
If those who had been convicted had been white, then he would have also been wrong to say that the problem was confined to white males, as it would to mention Asians, when they are not under discussion.
That is the point I am making.
/// In matters like this, the media needs to resist the temptation to assign appalling behaviour to minority groups based on ethnicity - that leads to hysteria and vigilantieism, which is in no-one's interest. ///
I disagree if it happens to be ethnic groups that have been found guilty of committing an offence, no matter what, it should not be covered up or swept under the carpet in case any other group takes to the streets etc.this practice is not operated when whites are convicted of crimes, so why should other groups be so protected?
when yo wish to attack a minority - you stigmatise them first.
(it seems a bit early for Godwin's Law) so I will choose....
Chief COnstable anderton of blessed memory pointed out that all the heroin smuggling originated with Manchesters Chinese minority
and was horrified to have an educated articulate minority point out to him that it was a much problem for them as for us round eyes, that they paid their taxes and business rates and would he do something about it ?
(it seems a bit early for Godwin's Law) so I will choose....
Chief COnstable anderton of blessed memory pointed out that all the heroin smuggling originated with Manchesters Chinese minority
and was horrified to have an educated articulate minority point out to him that it was a much problem for them as for us round eyes, that they paid their taxes and business rates and would he do something about it ?
AOG - "I disagree if it happens to be ethnic groups that have been found guilty of committing an offence, no matter what, it should not be covered up or swept under the carpet in case any other group takes to the streets etc.this practice is not operated when whites are convicted of crimes, so why should other groups be so protected?"
You missed a vital word out of my post - I specifically referred to MINORITY ethnic groups - when you posted "... this policy is not operated when whites are convicted of crimes ..." - apart from the somewhat outdated use of the term 'whites' in this instance, they are clearly not a minority group, which is why the necessity for balance is not required in reference to white males committing this crime.
As I see it, reporting of the entire issue needs to be very careful not to simply aportion blame to one identifiable genetic or ethnic group because that is not only predjudicial, it is also factually inaccurate - hence the balance to which I referred.
You missed a vital word out of my post - I specifically referred to MINORITY ethnic groups - when you posted "... this policy is not operated when whites are convicted of crimes ..." - apart from the somewhat outdated use of the term 'whites' in this instance, they are clearly not a minority group, which is why the necessity for balance is not required in reference to white males committing this crime.
As I see it, reporting of the entire issue needs to be very careful not to simply aportion blame to one identifiable genetic or ethnic group because that is not only predjudicial, it is also factually inaccurate - hence the balance to which I referred.
AOG
"I disagree if it happens to be ethnic groups that have been found guilty of committing an offence, no matter what, it should not be covered up or swept under the carpet"
To paraphrase Mr Best...child sexual exploitation is not race specific but there's a worrying trend in relation to the number of cases involving Asian males.
I don't think that race is being swept under the carpet.
"I disagree if it happens to be ethnic groups that have been found guilty of committing an offence, no matter what, it should not be covered up or swept under the carpet"
To paraphrase Mr Best...child sexual exploitation is not race specific but there's a worrying trend in relation to the number of cases involving Asian males.
I don't think that race is being swept under the carpet.
Andy-Hughes
First may I suggest you get a spell checker set up, I don't wish to criticise, but the red underlines are proving off putting.
/// As I see it, reporting of the entire issue needs to be very careful not to simply aportion blame to one identifiable genetic or ethnic group because that is not only predjudicial, it is also factually inaccurate - hence the balance to which I referred. ///
But referring to the above paragraph, if it is identifiable members of one identifiable group and it is these who have committed a misdemeanor. then they should be openly blamed, but not the whole group, of which I have never suggested.
If a certain squirrel comes and pinches the nuts one has put out for the birds, should not that squirrel be accused in case one is accused of blaming all squirrels.
But in this case it is factually accurate, because all squirrels are the same when it comes to pinching nuts.
First may I suggest you get a spell checker set up, I don't wish to criticise, but the red underlines are proving off putting.
/// As I see it, reporting of the entire issue needs to be very careful not to simply aportion blame to one identifiable genetic or ethnic group because that is not only predjudicial, it is also factually inaccurate - hence the balance to which I referred. ///
But referring to the above paragraph, if it is identifiable members of one identifiable group and it is these who have committed a misdemeanor. then they should be openly blamed, but not the whole group, of which I have never suggested.
If a certain squirrel comes and pinches the nuts one has put out for the birds, should not that squirrel be accused in case one is accused of blaming all squirrels.
But in this case it is factually accurate, because all squirrels are the same when it comes to pinching nuts.
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triggerhippy
/// But what if one of those squirrels is a red squirrel and the other a grey squirrel? ///
Then if it was the red one, it would be quite in order to accuse that one, without the need to state that the crime of pinching nuts is not confined solely to red squirrels but the majority grey squirrels have also been known to commit the same offence.
/// But what if one of those squirrels is a red squirrel and the other a grey squirrel? ///
Then if it was the red one, it would be quite in order to accuse that one, without the need to state that the crime of pinching nuts is not confined solely to red squirrels but the majority grey squirrels have also been known to commit the same offence.
AOG, ALL squirrels "pinch nuts". The syllogism : All squirrels pinch nuts; This animal is a squirrel; Therefore this animal pinches nuts" is valid. And it is valid if red or grey precedes "squirrels"
How do you apply that to grooming offences? A syllogism " All grooming offences are by men. Asian males are men. Therefore Asian males commit all grooming offences" ? Not valid. Omit "all" from "grooming offences" and it is closer but still not valid as a syllogism.
How do you apply that to grooming offences? A syllogism " All grooming offences are by men. Asian males are men. Therefore Asian males commit all grooming offences" ? Not valid. Omit "all" from "grooming offences" and it is closer but still not valid as a syllogism.
perhaps they should specify their ethnicity, not just say Asian as that labels them all, which is obviously not the case, are they Muslims, of what origin, Pakistani perhaps, because sadly it does seem as those previous cases most are of that ethnicity, religion, though of course that one does not dispute the fact that men, boys of any caste, religion, race can be involved. It just seems these latest ones involve men from Pakistani backgrounds. If i were a Sikh, Hindu, i wouldn't care to be labelled as just Asians, would you?
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