The Niqab Rears It's Ugly Head Once Again.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2416632/Muslim-students-banned-wearing-niqab-Birmingham-Met-college-security-reasons.html

Was this college right to make this ruling?

/// Imaani Ali, 17, believes the ban on veils is a breach of her freedom ///

There are many things in life that breach our 'FREEDOM' Imaani Ali, they are mainly called 'RULES'.

[Bazile]

Is it really her wish to wear a Niqab OR is it the menfolk in her family who instructs her to wear it .

I suspect it's the latter

[jno]

youngmafbog, I am deeply concerned that things keep rearing their ugly heads at anotheoldgit.

If it's not feminism

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1261835.html

or human rights

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1063716-3.html

it's the EU symbol

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1036883.html

I don't know why he is victimised in this fashion, but the poor chap sees ugliness all around him.

[tamborine]

Put the student under the sharia law of 'no education for girls' so they can live within the concepts of their faith; and NO prospects of employment as allah wishes.

C'mon keyplus, quote the relavant koran dictum ?

[Khandro]

gromit; Why would everyone have to get out of their cars to identify themselves? On the subject of security, I recently played golf with a CIA bodyguard for VIP's - really, (he was black and from Texas). I told him how I had recently observed an elderly, rather frail looking couple having to remove their shoes with great inconvenience at the airport and how I thought it was absurd. He said " If terrorists discovered that elderly frail people were being treated as exceptions, the first thing they would do is start figuring out a way to use that", I saw his point.

[viv38]

Agree with trt and baz.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// Dame Christine Braddock took the decision: ///

Wrong, she only defended the policy, which had been in place for some time.

*** Principal and chief executive of the college. Dame Christine Braddock, defended the policy, saying it had been in place for some time and had been developed to keep students safe. ***

[anotheoldgit]

jno

I could also say "jno rears his/her ugly head once again", but that would be not only personal, abusive, offensive but also damn right rude, so I won't.

[Baldric]

If it's ensconced in a Niqab, how the heck do you know it's ugly?

[BlueToffee]

And of course, listening/cheating devices could be concealed under the veil and the scarf. Ban them, particularly during exam time.

[Zeuhl]

/There are many things in life that breach our 'FREEDOM' Imaani Ali, they are mainly called 'RULES'/

Which doesn't make them right of course - or immune to change. Clearly, /Rules/ are just a device, and the young lady might well counter that wearing a veil is also a /RULE/

What I think is more relevant is whether people routinely concealing their face from others is a healthy development when we are accustomed to a more open society and not one where women, are people in general, are restricted and thought of in this peculiar manner

[Bazile]

As i understand it there is no religous requirement for the object to be worn - it's purely a choice .
In the interest of security , in the current climate ; it's a choice that is reasonably justified to be denied in certain instances

[anotheoldgit]

Baldric

/// If it's ensconced in a Niqab, how the heck do you know it's ugly? ///

Who said anything about the wearer being ugly, my headline refers to the Niqab.

*** The Niqab Rears It's Ugly Head Once Again. ***

[jno]

the Mail uses the word "security" in its headline but the college has not. They just talk about providing a "safe and welcoming environment". They give no reason why a niqab might be unsafe.

[Bazile]

jno - i think ' safe ' in this case is that they are able to be sure that the person under the object is who they profess to be , thus not putting at risk it's students , employees and others

[sp1814]

'Groundhog Day'

[DaisyNonna]

Communication is very necessary in education. Communicating with someone hiding her face is very difficult.

[jno]

Bazile, at any given time in college I would be in a room with anything up to 200 other people and hadn't a clue who any of them were, bar the odd friend. I survived without feeling unwelcome. I'm not sure why today's students need to be protected like this.

[Zeuhl]

/a "safe and welcoming environment"/

well lots of people wearing masks certainly challenges the /welcoming/ part

'Hello and welcome; I am smiling at you - honest I am!'

[jno]

sp1814, it's true, I never quite know which anti-niqab thread I'm on.

[Zeuhl]

/200 other people and hadn't a clue who any of them were/

but jno

you were able to tell whether you knew any of them or not because you could see their faces

imagine you are in a room surrounded by 200 people you don't know

get a feeling for that

now

imagine you are in a room surrounded by 200 people all wearing hoods over their faces

are you seriously saying your feelings about your situation don't change?