Bedroom Tax

[marje]

So, there's been a suicide because of the 'bedroom tax'. Poor woman couldn't afford the £80 per month for 2 empty bedrooms when her children left home. How many more before it's abolished?

[emmie]

well it might come to heating the place or cutting down on food, i haven't made my mind up which it will be yet. No fun i can assure you

[jake-the-peg]

Amazing Mags


I heard someone say something very similar

And you know what the daft fool they were talking to actually believed it!

Amazing what people will believe when it confirms their prejudices!

[andres]

I think it best to say that this lady committed suicide whilst the' balance of her mind was disturbed'.Apparently she had a crippling illness--Myasthenia Gravis. Although she wanted to work her doctor told her that she wasn't fit to do so but she somehow never registered as disabled . Therefore she did not get disability benefit. The'bedroom tax' was probably the last straw for her to contend with.

[naomi24]

Sharingan, Sqad is right – there are no goalposts in your discussion with him. It’s completely unreasonable to lump terminally ill-people who make an informed choice to end their lives in with those who decide to commit suicide for other reasons. There is a difference.

[Sqad]

magsmay...too bloody right i will be with you.
Just to remind you and put things in perspective, my knowledge of Psychiatric Disorders is nil.
I spent 3 months Psychiatry in an East End mental Hospital as a student, knocking of this Jewish Psychiatric nurse from Basle.

So it will be a one sided conversation about psychiatry ...;-)

[magsmay]

@em// perfectly rational, sane people kill themselves, a love affair gone wrong, husband or wife walked out the door, and you lose your job//
they may be perfectly sensible until something happens -because they have suffered loss they are unbalanced mentally - at the point of taking the pills or whatever they are not rational are they? -thats the whole point? Rational sane people do not put a gun to their head jump in front of a train or whatever -at that point in time they are acting irrationally.

[emmie]

if you aren't affected by this tax, then it's hardly likely you will know what it feels like, if the poor woman had issues before, then i am sorry for her and her family.

[emmie]

it's total rubbish to keep on suggesting that people only commit suicide because they are unbalanced and mentally ill. Some are and do it out of desperation, a good friend who was a manic depressive did and there was no saving him, he tried any number of times, then succeeded, but i have known others who were having a blip in their relationship, took an overdose and gone.

[magsmay]

Sqad -I have no intentions of talking 'shop' -I usually try and steer clear on here - mines a vodka martini -grey goose with two olives -no make it three -and a packet of salt and vinegar crisps xxx

[ummmm]

Everyone has to deal with adverse things in their life at some point. How you deal with them comes down to mental health.

I lost 9 family members in two years....did I contemplate suicide...NO...I wallowed for a bit.

[emmie]

some people are stronger than others, and sometimes the strongest are the ones that fall the hardest.

[Sharingan]

Magsmay-''but lets leave it to the 15 year old experts and armchair psychologists''
Jolly good Mags, enjoy getting hammered in an imaginary way with someone you only know in a virtual world, drinking cocktails you have dreamed up in your head- and you are lecturing ME about mental illness.
lm fao.xx

[Sqad]

Shari.......OK, you can come as well......;-)

[Svejk]

Poor Sqad (or Cary Grant, as I like to think of him) must feel like killing himself cos of this thread.:)

[Ric.ror]

Whats FAO?

I'm OTH
Over the hill

[ludwig]

Perhaps we should avoid making any changes to the benefits system at all in future, just in case one of them causes someone somewhere to commit suicide. It's the only way to be sure.

[Sharingan]

Nah you're alright Sqad, we can go clubbing later when Mags has passed out xx

[emmie]

the post is a perfectly serious one, so are you really going to start this little feud again.. it's like kids in a playground...

marje, i hope that they find another reason why she committed suicide, because if there are more, and they are put down to financial problems, overloaded with bedroom tax, can't pay, heat or eat, then perhaps the government will stop and pause for a bit, though i suspect that it won't
seems hellbent on punishing those with least in the bank

[woofgang]

magsmay i havent sat on the inquests, no, but have had honest conversations with would be suicides and their loved ones. Some of the suicides eventually succeeded. Personally I have been in a place where the thought that, once my responsibilities were discharged, I could end my own life, was a solid source of comfort to me. I don't consider that I had or have a mental health issue and neither did the consultant with whom I discussed it.

For those who have been discussing the mental health/illness/disease issue. the titles changed as part of the PC wave that changed "incontinence services" to "continence promotion services", "VD clinics" to "sexual health" and "mental retardation" to "learning difficulty" or "learning disability"

[emmie]

we are service users by the way, that is the new catchword, not patients, or mentally ill, it's all such a load of boll ox