stupid spats aside, i made the point about there being other interested groups, just as there are extremists fanatical Muslims, there are also extremist fanatical Christians, and i wasn't lumping EDL or BNP in the last category. If people don't want to read links it's their prerogative, however sometimes you have to lift the lid to see what is going on in your world, local, and outside. I too have lived a long not always interesting life, and have learned a good deal, why should that make a shred of difference to this debate.