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d9f1c7 | 22:38 Mon 13th Feb 2012 | News
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Just watched Panorama. It's about the richest most uncivilised nation on Earth. Why can't the US get this really basic thing sorted?
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Probably the same way Australia can`t. I had to pay a GP A$100 to see him. Completely understandable as I don`t live there and don`t pay into the system. The US is no different.
I was in Florida in October, and had a really good conversation with a lady who was trying to make a living running a little shop, her husband is a builder and was having a really bad time trying to find work. They had a grown up daughter, and another of 11years, and she told me that they pray almost nightly that no- one in the family becomes ill or needs to seek medical treatment, because they just could not afford to pay the insurance premiums, which had risen dramatically. They used to be insured, but because they had made a claim, the premiums went up so much they could no longer afford to pay it. I was really very surprised because I just didn't realise the position many millions of Americans seem to be in.
I also went to a craft type fund raising event whilst I was there,to raise funds for a local charity which paid for the cost of running houses so that children especially, had somewhere to live. A speaker told the event that just the previous week they had been told of a young woman, only about 19years old, who was living in the woods, together with twins of about 3 and a younger child. When they were visited they were all lying on the floor, covered with bracken, leaves, etc, to keep warm. When taken into one of the houses to be cared for, there were insects actually living under their skin.
It really makes you feel grateful for the care and protection we get in this country.
I'd like to think the rather nervous six year old girl was confused when she said that her Mother once cooked a rat for supper. I fear she wasn't confused though :-(
It was horrible.....how awful.
This is why all attempts to privatise the NHS should be opposed. It may have it's problems, but the alternative is far worse.
Which attempts are you thinking of, ludwig? I don't know of any.
You could send DanielKelly on the Help!!! thread over there......He's already dead.
A good discuassion was just completed siilar to this on another thread... being a U.S. citizen I don't know where all of this misinformation comes from. For example: "...The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may only transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment under their own informed consent, after stabilization, or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.

EMTALA applies to "participating hospitals." The statute defines "participating hospitals" as those that accept payment from the Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) under the Medicare program. However, in practical terms, EMTALA applies to virtually all hospitals in the U.S."
County, State and Federal programs abound to take care of the situations described in the preceding post. In addition our (mainly church) charity system always steps in when situations become known to alleviate suffering...
The focus of the program was not the US healthcare system-or lack of it...but rather the number of children living an poverty. The spread of tent cities occupied by formerly middle class families was quite shocking.

http://news.bbc.co.uk...d_9694000/9694094.stm
While certain areas have been hit extra hard due to the economic downturn, pasta... the U.S. government has passed several extensions to the Federally funded, State managed Unemployment Insurance Program, which is now up to 99 weeks... nearly 2 years of benefits. Additionally, nearly every newspaper has pages of employent for which the employers cannot fill. Granted, many of the jobs are for less than desirable jobs, such as fast food service, but it seems to me that workin at nearly anything to keep food on th etable would be more desirable than sitting around a tent all day...
d9f1c7.....all you are doing is stirring up the same old topic as you did a couple of days ago..........OK you have made your laboured point.

You don't want the American System of healthcare and they don't want the NHS structure of healthcare..........now gve it a rest.
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Clanad, the guy in question had a hernia and had had for years, I guess it didn't count as an emergency as they wanted £100k to operate.
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I sent my brother (in NY) the above link to Panorama...I'm waiting to hear what his thoughts are on it. Maybe it's all true...maybe not.
I suppose if I were still living in the US-and read this thread-I'd be saying 'It's not that bad'....but what I saw on the TV last night made me very worried for my country. It looks like The Great Depression all over again.
Who was the bloke they were interviewing? He denied it all...even though kids are being sent home from school with food.
I was wondering that also....he was in complete denial. "..it just means they've missed one meal"...Yeh,right.

Think I will watch it again on iPlayer later.
One or two days where they might be short of food.

Mum cooked a rat!!!
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As you are probably aware, reciprocal healthcare arrangements exist between Australia and the UK. Under these, British citizens resident in the UK and travelling on a British passport are entitled to limited subsidised health services from Medicare Australia for medically necessary treatment while visiting Australia. This does not cover pre-existing conditions, or treatment that does not require prompt attention.

There are other exclusions so it's most important you have comprehensive medical insurance when visiting Australia, just as it should be for all visitors to the UK, some of whom simply come here for free health treatment on the NHS courtesy of the UK taxpayer.
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Who was the bloke they were interviewing? He denied it all...even though kids are being sent home from school with food.//

I think he was one of the rich Republicans who completely deny what is in front of their eyes ( shame on them all).

Ron.

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