Schools out.

[anotheoldgit]

Don't these teachers get a long enough summer holiday?

I have just noticed that the kids have been let off for their summer holds, at lunch time today.

And I suppose they will pinch another day or two off when they start back in September.

[chelle7272]

I know - ours have been off since weds!
i went to meet a friend for a drink after work yesterday and all the primary school teachers were in there having a breaking up party, and they insist they're busy working in the school hols....

[Ankou]

don't mps get a 12 week summer break ?

[chelle7272]

As do teachers throughout a school year

[factor-fiction]

>"And I suppose they will pinch another day or two off when they start back in September. "

Please can you clarify what you mean by this, AOG? Do you perhaps mean 'training days' on which teachers must come in- the training days which were taken from what used to be part of the holiday entitlement?

[bednobs]

wht exactly do you want teachers to do - come in to do the lessons everyday over the summer holidays even though the kids aren't there?

[andy-hughes]

If you work out the hours that most teacjhers spend, including preparation, after-school activities, marking and so on, then kost eachers would be entitled to more like five months a year off!

It is a standard, ill-informed tedious cliche to bang on about 'long holidays' for teachers.

Out of the five weeks, most will spend the first few days of the first week off sorting out classrooms from the year just finished, and probably most of the week before term starts to set up for the new year coming in. Add in the time some teachers spend taking school parties away (and don't even think of mentioning the phrase 'free holiday'!) and you will find that the actual time teachers have off to themselves for holidays, is comparable to a large number of companies and public bodies who are paid comparatively more in salary.

To be honest AOG, this is a tiresome nonsensical Mail-esque bat to hit teachers with - school has changed a massive amount since you (and indeed I) were there, and the days of coasting along doing nothing are long gone.

If you are not connected with education in any way, then please take the troube to make an informed observation, in lieu of general sniping, wich is most unlike your normal erudite posts.

[Ankou]

come on andy it was tongue in cheek.

(by virtue of it being in chatterbank)

[andy-hughes]

AOG doesn't do 'tongue in cheek' - as well you know!

[Ankou]

ok, light-hearted.

[andy-hughes]

Or that!!!

[Ankou]

damn it!

look he didnlt mean it "that" way ok ?!

[LoftyLottie]

Andy!!

You must be joking!!

Sorry, but I don't agree. Have you worked in schools?

[craft1948]

One of my nephews, who is head of media studies in a school in Birmingham, buggers off to his place in France for the whole of August.........

[pa___ul3]

there's a reason why I looked into teaching and then looked straight back to my private sector job... Andy pretty much spelled it out.. and that's without mentioning the stress of dealing with the kids!
At least it means I can get to work 10 mins quicker now!

[andy-hughes]

Ankou - and how would you know that?

Lottie - no, but my wife has been a teacher, a deputy head, a head, and is now a schools inspector for Ofsted and ISI, my oldest daughter is a senior classroom assistant and my middle daughter lectures in child care for schools, so I can claim to know somewhat more about it that AOG - unless he has experience / evidence to back up his assertion.

I think teachers get a cliched ill-informed battering based on how education was years ago, and not how it is now - but if you know better, then of course, I am always happy to stand corrected.

[LoftyLottie]

Why does that not surprise me Craft. Teachers moan a lot about what they do and think they are the hardest up members of society. Most of them couldn't cope in the private sector. Working in schools opened my eyes!!

[LoftyLottie]

Worked in schools in Administration for many many years Andy!! As I said, it opened my eyes.

[andy-hughes]

Fair enough Lottie - we can agree to disagree on this one.

A x

[Ankou]

andy i just do ! enough with your anti right rants !

and my ex partner was a teacher, i wouldn't wish what she had to go througn on a daily basis on anyone.

[LoftyLottie]

We don't often disagree Andy!! And when we do we do it nicely ;o)